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• Arcesium's Cesar Estrada - data silos and technology integrations in private markets

  Welcome back to the Alt Goes Mainstream podcast.Today we sit down with a technology and fund services veteran who has worked with many of the industry’s largest asset managers.Cesar Estrada is Private Markets Head at Arcesium, a global financial technology company delivering pre- and post-investment operations and enterprise data management solutions designed to systematize the most complex workflows.Arcesium was built from a platform developed and tested by investment and technology development firm, the D. E. Shaw Group, and launched as a joint venture with Blackstone Alternative Asset Management. J.P. Morgan, another large client, later made a strategic investment in the company, helping Arcesium further its mission: to power the entire investment lifecycle.Cesar is responsible for Arcesium’s data management and investment operations technology and services offered to private markets fund managers and investors. Previously, he served as Senior Managing Director and Alternatives Business Head for North America at State Street — a role in which he drove the growth agenda for a business with approximately $1 trillion in Assets Under Administration by leading new product launches, expansion into new client segments, strategic partnerships, and acquisitions. He served on the board of State Street Fund Services Inc. Prior to that, as a Managing Director at J.P. Morgan, Cesar led the Private Equity & Real Estate Funds Services business from launch to $350B AUA.Cesar and I had a fascinating conversation about the impact of technology and automation on private markets. We discussed:What private markets going mainstream means for pre- and post-investment operations.Why alternative asset managers need to have technology solutions to manage, track, and analyze data and workflows if they want to scale.The biggest challenges that alternative asset managers face as they handle the increase in data management, more funds, and more investors.What technology or workflow solutions are still missing.How much AI will impact technology workflows in private markets.Why ABF has become such an important part of the private credit ecosystem.Thanks Cesar for coming on the show to share your wisdom and experience in private markets.Subscribe to Alt Goes Mainstream to receive the weekly newsletter every Sunday and all of AGM’s podcasts.You can also see a recent Q&A with Cesar on AGM here.If you want to learn how Arcesium is delivering the technological infrastructure required to manage the complexities of asset-based financing, you can download their white paper here and read thoughts on the asset-based finance space from Arcesium’s Private Markets Head and industry veteran Cesar Estrada.Show Notes00:00 Introduction and Welcome to the Alt Goes Mainstream Podcast00:39 Guest Introduction: Cesar Estrada02:37 Cesar's Background02:57 Cesar's Career Path03:35 Evolution of Fund Services Industry04:49 Arcesium's Core Competencies05:06 Technology in Private Markets05:27 Arcesium's Joint Venture Origins06:12 Technology Architecture07:11 Client-Centric Ownership Model07:18 Building for the Biggest07:46 Solving Complex Problems08:44 Challenges and Solutions in Data Management10:28 Data Silos in Asset Management10:53 Roadblocks to Technology Adoption11:41 Operations and Technology Bottlenecks12:31 Strategic Imperatives for Growth14:20 Hiring and Strategy in Asset Management15:55 Point Solutions vs. End-to-End Solutions17:27 Role of the CTO18:21 Build vs. Buy Decision19:22 Investment Team's Understanding of Technology19:22 The Impact of AI and Future Innovations20:07 Technology's Leverage for Smaller Firms21:36 Consolidation in Private Markets22:22 Technology for Scaling Firms22:40 Flexibility in Private Markets23:05 Technology in Private Credit and ABF25:35 Volume Problem in ABF25:55 Data Ecosystem in ABF27:10 Wealth Channel and Evergreen Products28:04 Product Innovation in Private Markets28:45 Future of Private Markets30:05 Technology Selection Process30:51 User Experience in Technology31:40 Consumer Experience in Private Markets33:06 Hands-On Technology Evaluation33:42 Reducing Operational Headcount34:02 Gen AI in Asset Management35:33 Future Impact of Gen AI36:20 Marrying People and Technology37:01 Next Phase in Asset Management Technology39:16 Cesar's Personal Investment Views40:40 Conclusion and Final ThoughtsEditing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant. 

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• Monthly Alts Pulse Ep. 16: Live from iCapital Connect - the technology perspective of model portfolios and UMAs with GeoWealth and iCapital

  Welcome to the 16th episode of the Monthly Alts Pulse, a collaboration between iCapital x Alt Goes Mainstream. We were live from iCapital Connect’s conference in Phoenix to announce a ground-breaking partnership in private markets: a collaboration between BlackRock, iCapital, and GeoWealth, where models that include both public and private markets exposure through a unified managed account (UMA) are now available to advisors.I sat down with Jack Hannah, the President & COO of GeoWealth, and Michael Doniger, SVP, Partnerships at iCapital, to discuss the technology and market structure innovation of the UMA and how private markets can play a role in model portfolios.In this live, unscripted episode, Jack, Michael, and I had a fascinating and lively discussion. We covered:An introduction to the partnership between BlackRock, iCapital, and GeoWealth.Incorporating private markets into UMAs.The private markets integration workflow.Customization and “sleeving” in UMAs.Thanks Jack and Michael for a great episode … looking forward to next month’s Monthly Alts Pulse conversation!Subscribe to Alt Goes Mainstream to receive the weekly newsletter every Sunday and all of AGM’s podcasts.Show Notes00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome00:34 Evolution of UMAs in Private Markets01:03 Incorporating Alternatives into UMAs01:32 Private Markets Integration Workflow02:41 Challenges and Solutions in UMA Implementation03:32 Customization and Sleeving in UMAs04:32 Client-Centric Solutions and Advisor Needs05:21 Early Adoption of Private Market Solutions06:17 Building a Robust Model Marketplace08:37 Future of Model Portfolios and UMAs13:10 Post-Investment Processes and Technology14:17 Data Solutions and Performance Reporting15:06 Growth Projections for UMAs and Private Markets16:09 Conclusion and Final Thoughts16:12 Closing Remarks and Thank You

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• Goldman Sachs' Kyle Kniffen - standing on the shoulders of Goldman Sachs to be "a complete partner" for the wealth channel

  Welcome back to the Alt Goes Mainstream podcast.Today’s episode is with someone responsible for growing the footprint of one of the largest private markets businesses in the industry.We sat down at Goldman Sachs’ 200 West office with Kyle Kniffen to discuss the evolution of the firm’s work with the wealth channel and how an intensified focus on private markets is helping to drive the firm’s strategic imperatives in asset and wealth management.Kyle is a Managing Director, Global Head of Alternatives, Third Party Wealth, at Goldman Sachs, which has over $500B of AUM in private markets. He’s responsible for the distribution of both Goldman Sachs private markets products and third party products to the wealth channel.Kyle and I had a fascinating conversation about the most pressing trends and questions in private markets. We discussed:How lessons learned from traditional asset management have helped Goldman with its private markets business.The benefits of a broad platform when it comes to helping the wealth channel navigate private markets.Why advisors should integrate private markets solutions.How to build a wealth channel business.How to think about evergreen funds versus closed end funds.The next innovation in productization.Why co-investments are becoming more popular with the wealth channel.Are evergreen funds here to stay?Thanks Kyle for coming on the show to share your wisdom and expertise.Subscribe to Alt Goes Mainstream to receive the weekly newsletter every Sunday and all of AGM’s podcasts.A word from AGM podcast sponsor, Ultimus Fund SolutionsThis episode of Alt Goes Mainstream is brought to you by Ultimus Fund Solutions, a leading full-service fund administrator for asset managers in private and public markets. As private markets continue to move into the mainstream, the industry requires infrastructure solutions that help funds and investors keep pace. In an increasingly sophisticated financial marketplace, investment managers must navigate a growing array of challenges: elaborate fund structures, specialized strategies, evolving compliance requirements, a growing need for sophisticated reporting, and intensifying demands for transparency.To assist with these challenging opportunities, more and more fund sponsors and asset managers are turning to Ultimus, a leading service provider that blends high tech and high touch in unique and customized fund administration and middle office solutions for a diverse and growing universe of over 450 clients and 1,800 funds, representing $500 billion assets under administration, all handled by a team of over 1,000 professionals. Ultimus offers a wide range of capabilities across registered funds, private funds and public plans, as well as outsourced middle office services. Delivering operational excellence, Ultimus helps firms manage the ever-changing regulatory environment while meeting the needs of their institutional and retail investors. Ultimus provides comprehensive operational support and fund governance services to help managers successfully launch retail alternative products.Visit www.ultimusfundsolutions.com to learn more about Ultimus’ technology enhanced services and solutions or contact Ultimus Executive Vice President of Business Development Gary Harris on email at [email protected] thank Ultimus for their support of alts going mainstream.Show Notes00:42 Introduction to the Podcast and our Guest02:00 A message from our Sponsor, Ultimus Fund Solutions04:06 Kyle’s Background and Journey04:18 Wealth Channel Strategies and Insights05:06 Goldman's Heritage in Private Markets05:28 Client Demand for Thought Partnership06:13 Public Markets Perspective07:07 Consultative Sales Approach07:21 Lessons from Institutional Segment09:05 Quality of Investment Flow10:51 Serving the Third Party Wealth Channel12:53 Client Segmentation and Customization15:16 Global Reach and Relationship Building22:43 Product Innovation and Future Trends27:12 Balancing Client Needs in Alternative Investments27:47 Who Should Invest in Alternatives?28:36 Asset Liability and Liquidity in Investment Strategies29:28 Technology Innovations in Private Markets30:00 Exciting Progress in Alternative Strategies30:46 Transparency and Communication in Investments31:14 The Puzzle of Private Market Structures31:54 Post-Sale Transparency and Investor Experience33:27 Engaging Clients Through Brand and Marketing35:37 Customization in Wealth Management37:24 Educating Advisors on Private Markets37:47 Delivering Unique Insights and Education39:01 Goldman Sachs Investment University41:09 Lessons from ETFs and Mutual Funds41:54 The Importance of Performance and Education43:11 Tools for Advisors and Real-Life Applications44:06 Understanding Private Markets' Impact on Portfolios47:19 Excitement Around Private Equity Secondaries49:02 Advisors' Interests in Tax-Advantaged Strategies49:47 The Role of Liquidity in Private Markets50:35 The Importance of Scale in Private Markets51:38 Future of Private Equity Secondaries52:14 The Permanency of Secondary Markets52:52 Conclusion: The Benefits of a Global Platform Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant.

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• Fortress Investment Group's Adam Bobker - Combining experience and innovation to build a wealth solutions business

  Welcome back to the Alt Goes Mainstream podcast.Today’s episode is with a wealth channel veteran who has an innate and developed view of working with wealth.We sat down in the studio with Adam Bobker. Adam joined Fortress Investment Group in 2022 to build out their wealth business as Managing Director, Global Co-Head of Private Wealth Solutions. He oversees strategy, distribution, marketing, product development, and client management activities across Fortress’ investment programs.Prior to joining Fortress, Adam was a MD and Head of the Private Wealth Advisory Group at BlackRock, where he spent 22 years. He led a team focusing on private wealth management and institutional consultant channels, as well as business development for BlackRock’s hedge fund, private equity, private credit, and real asset platforms.Adam and I had a fascinating conversation about how to build a wealth solutions business. We discussed:The entrepreneurial nature of building a business for the wealth channel.Lessons that can be learned from other industries.Why selling into the wealth channel is like being a doctor.Why understanding the DNA of an asset management firm matters when building a wealth solutions business.What Adam looks for in a successful distribution professional and when building a distribution team.How to create scalability and leverage with a distribution team.How to structure products for the wealth channel.How to get into model portfolios.Thanks Adam for coming on the show to share your wisdom and expertise in private markets and wealth management.A word from AGM podcast sponsor, Ultimus Fund SolutionsThis episode of Alt Goes Mainstream is brought to you by Ultimus Fund Solutions, a leading full-service fund administrator for asset managers in private and public markets. As private markets continue to move into the mainstream, the industry requires infrastructure solutions that help funds and investors keep pace. In an increasingly sophisticated financial marketplace, investment managers must navigate a growing array of challenges: elaborate fund structures, specialized strategies, evolving compliance requirements, a growing need for sophisticated reporting, and intensifying demands for transparency.To assist with these challenging opportunities, more and more fund sponsors and asset managers are turning to Ultimus, a leading service provider that blends high tech and high touch in unique and customized fund administration and middle office solutions for a diverse and growing universe of over 450 clients and 1,800 funds, representing $500 billion assets under administration, all handled by a team of over 1,000 professionals. Ultimus offers a wide range of capabilities across registered funds, private funds and public plans, as well as outsourced middle office services. Delivering operational excellence, Ultimus helps firms manage the ever-changing regulatory environment while meeting the needs of their institutional and retail investors. Ultimus provides comprehensive operational support and fund governance services to help managers successfully launch retail alternative products.Visit www.ultimusfundsolutions.com to learn more about Ultimus’ technology enhanced services and solutions or contact Ultimus Executive Vice President of Business Development Gary Harris on email at [email protected] thank Ultimus for their support of alts going mainstream.Subscribe to Alt Goes Mainstream to receive the weekly newsletter every Sunday and all of AGM’s podcasts.Show Notes00:00 Introduction to our Sponsor, Ultimus Fund Solutions01:23 Podcast Theme Song02:01 Introduction to Today's Guest: Adam Bobker02:40 Building a Wealth Solutions Business03:40 The Importance of Client Relationships04:09 Understanding Client Needs05:10 Evolution of Wealth Management07:04 The Role of Education in Wealth Management07:14 Innovative Investment Structures08:22 Model Portfolios and Custom Solutions13:05 Strategic Partnerships in Wealth Management17:30 The Importance of Technology in Wealth Management18:18 Adam's Transition to Fortress18:36 Building a Wealth Business at Fortress19:00 Innovative Strategies at Fortress20:13 Focus Areas for Fortress Wealth Business21:22 Evergreen Structures in Wealth Management22:08 Advisor Psychology and Evergreen Structures23:57 Suitability of Strategies for Evergreen Funds25:14 Managing Evergreen Funds27:12 Opportunities in Real Estate Credit27:55 Investor Hesitation and Education28:03 Immediate Exposure with Semi-Liquid Funds28:33 Are Evergreen Structures Better for Investors?28:39 The Future of Investment Strategies28:57 Industry Flows and Semi-Liquid Funds29:20 Impact on Alternative Asset Management29:29 Consolidation and Strategy Expansion29:58 Focus on Whole Portfolio Delivery30:31 Building a Strong Team31:17 Consultative Sales Approach31:56 Effective Communication in Wealth Management32:58 Importance of Brand in Asset Management33:38 Client Experience and Technology Providers34:03 In-House vs. Third-Party Services36:34 Mainstreaming Private Markets37:24 Commitment to Wealth Channel39:11 Transforming Investment Strategies39:50 Art and Science of Portfolio Construction42:08 Transparency and Liquidity in Private Markets43:05 Product Innovation and Asset Liability Mismatch45:45 Evergreen vs. Closed-End Funds47:27 Evolution of Fund of Funds Business48:22 Wealth Platforms and Private Markets49:51 Convergence of Institutional and Wealth Management51:10 Future of Alternative Asset Management51:54 Fee Compression in the Industry53:07 Raising Allocation to Alternatives55:14 Innovative and Pioneering Strategies Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant.

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• Constellation Wealth Capital's Karl Heckenberg - why there will be a $1T independent wealth management firm

  Welcome back to the Alt Goes Mainstream podcast.Today’s episode is with someone who is an expert on the RIA market and the wealth management business model.We talk with Karl Heckenberg, the President & Managing Partner of Constellation Wealth Capital, an investment firm that recently closed on a $1B debut fund dedicated to providing differentiated, long-term capital solutions to well-positioned independent wealth management firms in the $8T and growing wealth management sector.Karl’s deep experience in wealth management as both an investor, from his time as the CEO of Emigrant Partners and its affiliated company, Fiduciary Network, and time on the advisor side at Merrill Lynch, A.G. Edwards & Sons, Wells Fargo, and Charles Schwab, puts him in a position to understand the inner workings of wealth management businesses. He’s also sat on the boards of Sarasota Private Trust Company, New York Private Trust Company, and Cleveland Private Trust Company, and is currently on the board at Alternative Fund Advisors.CWC has made investments into some of the industry’s leading wealth management firms, including AlTi Global, Cresset Partners, AlphaCore, Lido, and others.Karl and I had a fascinating conversation about the evolution of the wealth management industry and why it’s become such an attractive investment opportunity. We discussed: The intricacies of business growth and serving clients.Why private markets are such a critical component to differentiating a wealth management firm.Why we’ll see a $1T independent wealth management business in the coming years.The parallels between the business evolution of alternative asset managers and wealth managers.Thanks Karl for coming on the show to share your wisdom and expertise at the intersection of wealth management and private markets.Subscribe to Alt Goes Mainstream to receive the weekly newsletter every Sunday and all of AGM’s podcasts.A word from AGM podcast sponsor, Ultimus Fund SolutionsThis episode of Alt Goes Mainstream is brought to you by Ultimus Fund Solutions, a leading full-service fund administrator for asset managers in private and public markets. As private markets continue to move into the mainstream, the industry requires infrastructure solutions that help funds and investors keep pace. In an increasingly sophisticated financial marketplace, investment managers must navigate a growing array of challenges: elaborate fund structures, specialized strategies, evolving compliance requirements, a growing need for sophisticated reporting, and intensifying demands for transparency.To assist with these challenging opportunities, more and more fund sponsors and asset managers are turning to Ultimus, a leading service provider that blends high tech and high touch in unique and customized fund administration and middle office solutions for a diverse and growing universe of over 450 clients and 1,800 funds, representing $500 billion assets under administration, all handled by a team of over 1,000 professionals. Ultimus offers a wide range of capabilities across registered funds, private funds and public plans, as well as outsourced middle office services. Delivering operational excellence, Ultimus helps firms manage the ever-changing regulatory environment while meeting the needs of their institutional and retail investors. Ultimus provides comprehensive operational support and fund governance services to help managers successfully launch retail alternative products.Visit www.ultimusfundsolutions.com to learn more about Ultimus’ technology enhanced services and solutions or contact Ultimus Executive Vice President of Business Development Gary Harris on email at [email protected] thank Ultimus for their support of alts going mainstream.Show Notes00:00 Introduction to our Sponsor, Ultimus Fund Solutions01:18 Podcast Opening Theme01:57 Introduction to Today's Guest: Karl Heckenberg03:57 Karl Heckenberg's Background and Career Journey06:10 Early Days of Wealth Management07:41 Post-GFC Evolution of RIAs08:59 Understanding the Independent Wealth Management Space10:15 Growth and Scale in Wealth Management12:17 Challenges and Opportunities in Wealth Management15:02 Importance of Client Experience19:34 Investment Strategies in Wealth Management20:07 Ownership and Equity Distribution20:54 Minority vs. Control Investments23:08 M&A in Wealth Management23:23 High-Quality Firms and Client Experience23:59 Capital Needs and Growth24:55 Advisory Services and Value Addition25:32 Comparisons with GP Stakes27:39 Durability and Resilience of Wealth Management Firms29:08 Exit Strategies and Public Market Potential29:40 Valuations and Capital Providers31:46 Future of Public Market Exits34:24 Compounding Growth and Returns35:05 Distribution and Liquidity35:34 Investment Grade Assets and Equity Returns35:47 Answering Key Investment Questions36:38 Investor Concerns and Market Dynamics36:59 Investment Buckets and Flexibility37:25 Private Wealth vs Institutional Investors38:02 Network Effects and Synergies38:27 Hesitations and Value Add of Constellation39:13 Collaborative Best Practices39:43 LP Side and Fundraising Timing40:08 Understanding the Wealth Channel40:24 Retail Distribution and Success Strategies41:05 Product Structuring and Client Diversification41:19 Impact of Technology on Wealth Management42:26 Importance of Private Markets Knowledge43:44 Diversification and Institutional Approach44:52 Challenges and Opportunities in Private Markets46:20 Advisors' Education and Differentiation48:26 Balancing Customization and Scalability49:32 Operational Efficiency and Retail Products51:16 Listening to Wealth Channel Needs51:30 Yield-Oriented Products and Diversification53:28 Educational Resources and Client Engagement54:14 Growth of Wealth Channel and Private Equity55:50 Consolidation and Future of Wealth Space58:35 Succession Planning and Client Experience01:04:37 Future of Wealth Management and Private Markets01:06:05 Closing Thoughts and Future Predictions Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant.

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