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Welcome back to the Alt Goes Mainstream podcast.
Today’s episode dives deep into the world of wealth management with someone whose career is emblematic of the intersection of private markets and private wealth.
We sat down with Larry Restieri, the CEO of Hightower.
Larry is the CEO and a member of the Board of Directors at Hightower, a national wealth management firm that empowers financial advisors to deliver sophisticated investment and financial services to clients.
Larry joined the firm in June 2025 from Goldman Sachs, where he was a Partner. Larry served as the CEO of Goldman’s AYCO business, which specializes in workplace financial planning and private wealth advisory services.
He held a variety of leadership roles at Goldman across its wealth and asset management divisions, including heading up the Alternative Capital Markets business.
Larry and I had a fascinating conversation about the continuing convergence of private markets and private wealth from someone who was at the forefront of this industry transformation. We covered:
The evolution of private markets within the wealth channel.
Lessons learned from Larry’s time building Goldman’s Alternative Capital Markets business and the AYCO business.
The path to building Hightower into a $1T RIA. 
The build-out of Hightower’s Signature Wealth brand.
What does the continued buildout of private equity-backed platforms mean for the evolution of wealth management?
What drives financial advisors?
The benefits of the independent RIA model.
How and why wealth clients should be thinking about private markets.
Thanks, Larry, for sharing your wisdom, expertise, and passion at the intersection of private markets and private wealth.
Show Notes
00:15 Meet Larry Restieri
01:22 Sponsor Message from Ultimus Fund Solutions
05:37 Larry Career Journey
11:21 Why Hightower
12:02 Next Wealth Evolution
14:37 Democratizing Alternatives
17:08 Education And Expectations
18:14 GPs And Distribution
19:49 Big Versus Niche Managers
22:09 Platform Due Diligence
23:20 NEPC And Hightower One
26:18 Trillion Dollar RIAs
27:42 What Advisors Want
28:57 Building Hightower One
29:27 Signature Wealth Brand
30:41 Acquiring The Bahnsen Group
31:57 Why Brand Matters
32:22 The Volkswagen Brand Analogy
34:15 Culture and Community
36:34 Hightower 3.0 Strategy
37:59 Open Architecture Explained
41:04 Private Equity Exits
43:06 Multiples and Deal Discipline
44:49 Markets and Cash Flow
46:20 Private Markets Adoption
49:10 GPs Serving RIAs
52:33 Closing Reflections

A Word from Our Sponsor, Ultimus
This episode of Alt Goes Mainstream is brought to you by Ultimus, the full-service fund administrator and transfer agent powering asset managers in private and public markets. As alts go mainstream, you need real expertise to handle complex fund structures, connect with key distribution partners, and handle sophisticated compliance, reporting, and transparency demands.
That’s Ultimus: high-tech, high-touch solutions for over 450 clients and 2,500 funds with $775B in assets under administration. Backed by an expert team of over 1,200 employees, they place client service at the core of their business, helping you navigate complexity during your fund structuring or launch and then supporting you through every stage of growth. Whether you’re already in the market or thinking about entering private wealth, you can trust their team’s deep expertise in retail alternatives to help you reach your goals.
Learn more at ultimusfundsolutions.com or email info@ultimusfundsolutions.com.
We thank Ultimus for their support of alts going mainstream.
Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant.

Welcome back to the Alt Goes Mainstream podcast.
We were live from iCapital Connect’s conference in Phoenix, where we sat down with some of the industry’s leaders across asset management and wealth management.
Eric Muller is Portfolio Manager & Partner, CEO - BDCs for Oak Hill Advisors (OHA). Oak Hill, which was acquired by T. Rowe Price in December 2021, has $112B AUM across performing and distressed credit-related investments in North America, Europe and other geographies.
Eric shares responsibility for leading OHA’s private credit business and has primary management responsibility for OHA’s BDCs. Prior to joining OHA in 2018, Mr. Muller worked in Goldman Sachs’ Merchant Banking Division, where he was a Partner in the Private Credit Group, responsible for leading its private senior lending business in North America and managing vehicles that invested across the spectrum of the credit market. 
With credit on the minds of many, Eric provided a nuanced perspective on the current state of the credit markets and where to uncover both opportunity and risk in the market.
Eric and I had a fascinating conversation about the current state of private credit. We discussed:
How his experience in private equity has informed how he approaches credit investing.
What are the risk / reward trade-offs in private credit?
Why credit investors need to be pessimists.
How LPs should evaluate private credit firms and why the ability to do workouts matters.
How do private equity sponsors pick their credit partners?
Why private credit firms might have higher recovery rates than liquid credit markets.
How OHA’s combination with T. Rowe Price has helped the firm productize for the wealth channel.
What are misconceptions about private credit risk and liquidity?
Where are the opportunities in liquid credit versus illiquid credit?
Thanks, Eric, for sharing your wisdom, expertise, and passion for private credit and private markets.
Show Notes
00:00 Relative Value Lens
00:11 A Message from Ultimus Fund Solutions
01:08 Live at iCapital Connect
01:46 Early Career at Goldman
01:59 Mezzanine Fund Era
02:23 GFC Timing Advantage
02:51 Running Private Credit
03:03 Joining Oak Hill
04:15 PE Lessons for Credit
04:30 Different Investor Questions
04:56 Credit Risk Reward Mindset
05:45 Optimistic Pessimist
06:16 Downside With Right Tail
06:47 Workouts and Distressed Skills
08:02 Private vs Liquid Recoveries
08:19 Aligned Lenders in Private
08:54 Sponsor Relationships Matter
09:22 Choosing the Right Partners
10:46 Volatility Reveals Behavior
11:22 Is Capital Commodity
12:39 OHA Distressed DNA
13:31 Crossroads of Markets
14:26 Challenges of Unconstrained
15:22 Risk Spectrum for LPs
16:19 T Rowe Deal Rationale
17:18 Democratizing Alts Access
19:10 One Ticker Multi Strategy
20:28 Liquidity Wrappers Tradeoffs
21:49 Quasi Liquid Reality Check
22:35 Liquid vs Illiquid Risk
23:27 Diligence Questions for LPs
24:33 Origination Edge and Speed
26:19 Public-Private Financing Choice
26:55 Alts in Target Date Funds
28:41 Private Credit Misconceptions
30:30 Closing Thoughts

A Word from Our Sponsor, Ultimus
This episode of Alt Goes Mainstream is brought to you by Ultimus, the full-service fund administrator and transfer agent powering asset managers in private and public markets. As alts go mainstream, you need real expertise to handle complex fund structures, connect with key distribution partners, and handle sophisticated compliance, reporting, and transparency demands.
That’s Ultimus: high-tech, high-touch solutions for over 450 clients and 2,500 funds with $775B in assets under administration. Backed by an expert team of over 1,200 employees, they place client service at the core of their business, helping you navigate complexity during your fund structuring or launch and then supporting you through every stage of growth. Whether you’re already in the market or thinking about entering private wealth, you can trust their team’s deep expertise in retail alternatives to help you reach your goals.
Learn more at ultimusfundsolutions.com or email info@ultimusfundsolutions.com.
We thank Ultimus for their support of alts going mainstream.
Disclosures
The views expressed are the interviewee’s, are subject to change without notice, and may differ from those of other T. Rowe Price associates.  Information and opinions are derived from proprietary and nonproprietary sources deemed to be reliable; the accuracy of those sources is not guaranteed. This material does not constitute a distribution, offer, invitation, recommendation, or solicitation to sell or buy any securities.  It does not constitute investment advice and should not be relied upon as such.  Investors should seek independent legal and financial advice, including advice as to tax consequences, before making any investment decision.
Some or all alternative investments may not be suitable for certain investors. Alternative investments are typically speculative and involve a substantial degree of risk. Each fund and account may be leveraged and engage in other speculative practices that may increase the risk of investment loss. Investors must realize that they could lose all or a substantial amount of their investment. In addition, the fees and expenses charged may be higher than the fees and expenses of other investment alternatives, which will reduce profits.
 
T. Rowe Price has $1.7T total assets under management and OHA has $112B assets under management as of March 31, 2026.
In the United States, securities are offered through T. Rowe Price Investment Services, Inc., a broker dealer, registered with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission and a member of FINRA. Securities are offered through T. Rowe Price Investment Services, Inc., and advisory services are offered by Oak Hill Advisors, L.P. OHA is a T. Rowe Price company. T. Rowe Price Investment Services, Inc. and Oak Hill Advisors, L.P. are affiliated. 5629822

Welcome back to the Alt Goes Mainstream podcast.
We were live from AGM’s RIA Field Trip at Brookfield’s New York office at Brookfield Place with Oaktree Managing Director and Co-Portfolio Manager Danielle Poli to unpack why private credit is at a crossroads and why dispersion is growing. 
Danielle has a unique perch to form a developed view on the current state of private credit. She sits at the intersection of public and private credit, providing her with perspectives on where opportunities and risks lie across the liquidity spectrum. 
Danielle is a founding member of Oaktree’s Global Credit strategy and its Investment Committee, which was established in 2017. She’s been an important contributor to its growth into a scaled multi-asset credit platform. She previously led Oaktree’s product specialist group, which she helped build into a global team supporting credit, private equity, and real estate. She joined Oaktree in 201 and has nearly two decades of experience in private markets. She has been named to Barron’s list of the 100 Most Influential Women in U.S. Finance. 
Danielle and I had a fascinating conversation about the current state of private credit, where cracks might be emerging and where to find pockets of opportunity amid the dislocations. We covered:
Why is boring beautiful in private credit?
Where are we in the credit cycle?
Why it’s important to have a contrarian mindset.
Where, why, and how dispersion is rising in credit.
How to underwrite software investments post-AI. 
Why asset-backed finance can be a diversifier.
Why now could be the time to prepare for opportunistic and rescue lending opportunities, as maturities are fast approaching.
How to balance public and private credit investing. 
Thanks, Danielle, for sharing your wisdom, expertise, and passion about private credit. 

Show Notes
00:00 Live Podcast Intro
00:06 Meet Danielle Poli
00:17 Contrarian Mindset 
00:34 Our Sponsor, Ultimus Fund Solutions
01:32 Where Private Credit Stands Today
02:22 Bifurcation and ABF Rise
02:59 Liquid vs Private Convergence
03:36 Danielle’s Career Background
04:13 Why Liquidity Matters
04:39 Dislocation Advantages
05:10 Risk Return Tradeoffs
05:18 Liquidity Premium Compression
05:41 Covenants and Complexity
06:01 Not All Private Credit is Equal
06:34 Corporate vs Asset-Backed
07:05 Why ABF Diversifies
07:30 How Allocators Fund ABF
07:49 Credit Taking Share from Equities
08:49 Tough Direct Lending Vintages
09:22 Rates Shock and Leverage
09:43 AI Disrupts Software Credit
10:41 Oaktree Software Underweight
12:01 Underwriting Software Post AI
12:57 Inside the Investment Committee
13:57 Selling Rallies and Positioning
31:30 Closing Thoughts

A Word from Our Sponsor, Ultimus
This episode of Alt Goes Mainstream is brought to you by Ultimus, the full-service fund administrator and transfer agent powering asset managers in private and public markets. As alts go mainstream, you need real expertise to handle complex fund structures, connect with key distribution partners, and handle sophisticated compliance, reporting, and transparency demands.
That’s Ultimus: high-tech, high-touch solutions for over 450 clients and 2,500 funds with $775B in assets under administration. Backed by an expert team of over 1,200 employees, they place client service at the core of their business, helping you navigate complexity during your fund structuring or launch and then supporting you through every stage of growth. Whether you’re already in the market or thinking about entering private wealth, you can trust their team’s deep expertise in retail alternatives to help you reach your goals.
Learn more at ultimusfundsolutions.com or email info@ultimusfundsolutions.com.
We thank Ultimus for their support of alts going mainstream.

Welcome back to the Alt Goes Mainstream podcast.
Building community is central to enabling an industry to grow. There are few better ways to build community and foster trusted relationships than to break bread. 
As the wealth channel continues to expand its adoption of private markets, peer-to-peer learning becomes ever more important. Sharing experiences and perspectives is what will help the wealth channel adopt private market solutions thoughtfully and responsibly.
That’s what happened at Franklin Templeton’s Private Markets RIA Advisory Council event and dinner at BLACKBARN recently. Bread was broken. Relationships were built. 
We also found time to record a podcast at a dinner table with Franklin Templeton’s Head of Private Markets - Americas Wealth Management Dave Donahoo and Summit Wealth Group’s CIO Chelsea Ganey. The discussion granted access to a direct, honest, and raw window into perspectives on how asset managers and wealth managers can work together to educate one another and help move the industry forward. And yes, bread was broken before and after the podcast.
Please enjoy this fantastic conversation with Dave and Chelsea on the state of private markets and private wealth and how both asset managers and wealth managers can balance customization and differentiation with scale.
Thanks, Dave and Chelsea, for such a thoughtful and fascinating conversation.
Show Notes
00:00 A message from Ultimus, our Sponsor
00:57 Meet The Guests
01:07 Private Markets Are Eating World
01:29 Why Create RIA Council
01:49 Franklin Client-First DNA
02:09 From Public To Private
02:43 Listening Beyond Product
03:07 Peer To Peer Insights
04:12 Chelsea On The Benefits of Advisory Council
04:36 Inbox Overload And Filtering
05:10 Serving Diverse RIA Needs
06:15 Many RIAs Within One
06:30 What CIOs Need Most
06:54 Educating Advisors At Scale
07:32 GPs Must Listen Better
08:26 What Education Really Means
09:01 Repeatable Advisor Resources
09:54 Avoid Oversimplifying Complexity
10:30 Education Shifts To Choice
11:50 Balancing Choice And Customization
13:13 Centralized Menu For Scale
15:10 Sober Selling And Integrity
16:30 Franklin Private Markets Platform
17:59 Specialist Managers Model
18:28 Infrastructure Partnership Play
19:22 Do More With Less Managers
21:04 Holistic Options For Advisors
21:47 Where Product Innovation Goes
22:23 Sun Moon Stars Aligning
22:53 Future Access 401k Models
23:12 Start With Investment Why
23:29 Allocator Innovation Lens
24:09 Models Versus Customization
24:35 Why Innovation Matters
24:53 No One Right Way
25:18 Whats Still Missing
25:33 Scaling And The Middle
25:55 Magic Wand Question
26:19 Plumbing And Reporting
26:32 Perpetual Structure Tradeoffs
26:46 Protecting Investment Integrity
27:30 Long Term Over Short Term
27:42 Need More CIO Mindsets
28:03 Strategic Allocation For Alts
28:50 Chelsea On Strategic Framing
29:34 Making Liquidity Intuitive
30:06 Educating On Liquidity Risk
30:29 Private Markets Risk Reframe
31:32 Dave On Portfolio Construction
32:14 Standardizing Industry Terms
32:42 Building Trust With Liquidity
33:45 A Fun Question
38:10 Client Analogies That Stick
40:43 Fat Pitch Opportunities Today
42:53 Closing Thoughts And Thanks

A Word from Our Sponsor, Ultimus
This episode of Alt Goes Mainstream is brought to you by Ultimus, the full-service fund administrator and transfer agent powering asset managers in private and public markets. As alts go mainstream, you need real expertise to handle complex fund structures, connect with key distribution partners, and handle sophisticated compliance, reporting, and transparency demands.
That’s Ultimus: high-tech, high-touch solutions for over 450 clients and 2,500 funds with $775B in assets under administration. Backed by an expert team of over 1,200 employees, they place client service at the core of their business, helping you navigate complexity during your fund structuring or launch and then supporting you through every stage of growth. Whether you’re already in the market or thinking about entering private wealth, you can trust their team’s deep expertise in retail alternatives to help you reach your goals.
Learn more at ultimusfundsolutions.com or email info@ultimusfundsolutions.com.
We thank Ultimus for their support of alts going mainstream.

Welcome back to the Alt Goes Mainstream podcast.
We went to a mecca of football to film the latest episode. This conversation takes us to Turin, Italy, where we were in the Juventus Creator Lab with Italian football (I mean soccer for the Americans) legend and one of the best defenders of all time Giorgio Chiellini.
Giorgio’s career and playing style were defined by Juventus’ very motto, fino alla fine (“until the end”). It’s also a mentality that he brings to every aspect of life on and off the pitch. 
After an illustrious playing career at one of the world’s biggest clubs, Juventus, and a career that also included two World Cup appearances for Italy and winning the Euro 2020 as the Captain of Italy, Giorgio came back home to Turin rejoin the club where he starred for 17 years: Juventus. Giorgio has gone from the pitch to the boardroom, helping to lead Juventus as the Director of Football Strategy. He has brought the player’s perspective to the business side of football, balancing the nuances of sports and business.
Despite the demands that Giorgio faced on the field as a player to maintain a standard of play at the highest levels of the game, he found time during his career to pursue his passion for business. He received his MBA while playing for Juventus and also was involved in the player development side in his final years as a player at LAFC. More recently, he became an investor in LAFC and in Mercury13, a multi-club investor in women’s football teams, including FC Como. He’s also an active investor in the European startup community.
Giorgio and I had a wide-ranging and fascinating conversation that covered several dimensions of the business of sport. We discussed:
How teams, owners, and investors can balance both the sport and business aspects of the game.
What it means for sports now that players can have bigger social followings than their clubs or leagues.
How Juventus has built and amplified its brand through initiatives like the Creator Lab.
How clubs like Juventus can help players build their off-field brand while maintaining a high-quality on-field product.
How Giorgio’s work off the field while playing informed how he wanted to spend his time post-career in business.
What Giorgio’s day-to-day is like as Director of Football Strategy for Juventus.
Why Giorgio invested in LAFC and what he thinks about the future of the MLS.
What American owners and investors can learn from European soccer clubs and owners, and what European clubs and owners can learn from American owners and investors.
Thanks, Giorgio, for sharing your wisdom, expertise, and enthusiasm at the intersection of sports and business.
Note: this episode was filmed in October 2025 with a plan to publish the conversation around the World Cup.

Show Notes
00:00 Split Second Decision
01:06 A Message from Our Sponsor, Ultimus
02:10 Meet Giorgio Chiellini
04:17 What Is the Juventus Creator Lab
04:36 Building Fans Through Content
05:27 Football Brand Goes Global
06:15 Revenue From Winning
06:43 Two Hearts One Club
07:52 Winning Versus Storytelling
08:40 Fans Everywhere Now
09:27 Too Many Games Problem
09:51 Stakeholders and Calendar
11:00 Owner Advice Communication
11:28 From Kid to Club 
14:12 Film Study for Matches
15:02 The Saka Tactical Foul
17:26 Social Media and Mental Health
29:32 US World Cup Reality
29:45 Grassroots Long Game
30:09 MLS and USL Momentum
30:14 Stadiums and Growth
30:20 MLS Season vs Playoffs
30:46 Supporters Shield Incentives
31:11 Travel and Rest Mentality
31:33 Europe Stakes Comparison
31:54 Highlights Era Question
32:24 Bite-Sized Sports Culture
33:40 Choosing What to Watch
33:55 Sports Must Adapt
34:33 Owners Business View
35:15 TV Rights and Strategy
36:05 Institutional Money Trend
36:42 Why Funds Love Sports
37:04 Balancing Profit and Emotion
38:12 Fiduciary Duty vs Winning
39:15 Permanent Capital Advantage
40:42 Mission Values Legacy
41:54 Juventus DNA and Family
44:31 Leadership Lessons Learned
45:38 From Captain to Executive
47:05 Humanity and Energy
48:21 Player to Business Challenges
50:00 Investing in Italian Startups
51:47 How He Picks Investments
52:43 Innovation and AI in Sport
53:16 Favorite Alternative Investment
54:34 Profitability and Winning
55:21 Closing

A Word from Our Sponsor, Ultimus
This episode of Alt Goes Mainstream is brought to you by Ultimus, the full-service fund administrator and transfer agent powering asset managers in private and public markets. As alts go mainstream, you need real expertise to handle complex fund structures, connect with key distribution partners, and handle sophisticated compliance, reporting, and transparency demands.
That’s Ultimus: high-tech, high-touch solutions for over 450 clients and 2,500 funds with $775B in assets under administration. Backed by an expert team of over 1,200 employees, they place client service at the core of their business, helping you navigate complexity during your fund structuring or launch and then supporting you through every stage of growth. Whether you’re already in the market or thinking about entering private wealth, you can trust their team’s deep expertise in retail alternatives to help you reach your goals.
Learn more at ultimusfundsolutions.com or email info@ultimusfundsolutions.com.
We thank Ultimus for their support of alts going mainstream.
Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant.