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Dan Niles joins Excess Returns to explain why he believes AI is a genuine industrial revolution and a bubble at the same time, with significant opportunity still ahead but growing risks in semiconductors, software, AI CapEx and credit markets. We discuss NVIDIA, OpenAI, Anthropic, China’s semiconductor push, data center politics, AI debt issuance, Fed policy and the downside protection framework Dan uses to navigate technology cycles.
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Niles Investment Management
https://www.nilesinvestmentmanagement.com
Topics covered:
Why AI can be both a transformational technology and an investment bubble

The AI metrics Dan watches: token pricing, token growth, cloud revenue and operating margins

What the Situational Awareness unwind showed about leverage, forced selling and semiconductor volatility

Why hyperscaler AI revenue can accelerate even as free cash flow deteriorates

How data center opposition, electricity constraints and politics could slow the AI buildout

Where value may accrue across the AI stack and why Anthropic and Google could pressure OpenAI

Why China’s memory chip expansion could bring semiconductor cyclicality back faster than investors expect

How AI is reshaping software, including security, systems of record, gaming and usage-based pricing

Why the shift from free cash flow to debt financing matters for AI CapEx, Treasury yields and credit markets

Dan’s long-short investment process, Fed outlook, market risk framework and emphasis on downside protection

Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
04:00 The signals Dan watches to know when the AI bubble is peaking
09:12 AI ROI, hyperscaler profits and the problem with negative free cash flow
14:19 Why data center politics could become a major risk to AI growth
21:28 Why semiconductors are still cyclical and China could change the supply picture
25:47 Why smart companies still get bubbles wrong and agentic AI could extend the cycle
30:43 Is software the next major casualty of AI disruption?
35:04 Why video games may be one of software’s safer AI categories
39:23 Can markets absorb the surge in AI debt and equity issuance?
45:28 Dan Niles’ long-short investment process and approach to downside protection
50:45 Why Dan thinks the Fed could raise rates in September
56:38 Why buy-and-hold can fail and downside protection matters
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Ben Hunt joins Matt Zeigler to explain why damaged Fed and Treasury credibility could matter just as four major risks converge across private credit, AI financing, oil and the consumer. They discuss financial repression, rising long-term rates, shadow banking and insurance risk, the AI CapEx growth engine, and why Hunt believes gold may benefit if policymakers keep trying to suppress the price of money.
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Topics covered
Why credibility is a teacup and why policy reputation is difficult to repair once it breaks

How the Fed's July rate decision changed the market narrative around inflation credibility

The Four Horsemen: insurance and shadow banking losses, capital crowding out, the Iran war and oil inflation, and a stretched consumer

Why insurer-funded private credit could become a systemic risk if fraud and losses reach major institutions

How government borrowing and AI data center financing could push long-term interest rates higher

Why fading fiscal stimulus, depleted savings and higher energy costs leave the consumer vulnerable

What financial repression means and how the Fed and Treasury could try to cap rates and prevent major losses

Why AI investment may be the key source of US economic growth if consumer activity stalls

How Perscient tracks narrative regimes, virality and shifts in common knowledge across markets

Why gold can act as an inverse measure of trust in central banks and how Ben is positioning around the risks

Timestamps
00:00 Intro: Credibility is a Teacup
04:00 How the July Fed decision damaged inflation credibility
08:21 The Four Horsemen that could threaten the financial system
14:00 Oil inflation, the Iran war and a stretched consumer
18:39 What financial repression means
23:20 How the Fed and Treasury could try to prevent a systemic crisis
28:21 Why AI CapEx may be the only major source of GDP growth
35:00 When lost Fed credibility became a confirmed market narrative
39:34 Narrative stock versus flow and how bursts can move prices
44:00 The return of bearish AI CapEx narratives
48:09 Why private credit may be easier to can-kick than the 2008 crisis
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This month on Last Call, Kevin Muir, Aahan Menon, Ben Hunt and Brent Kochuba break down the market through four lenses: macro, inflation data, narrative and options positioning. They examine whether midterm election volatility is underpriced, why inflation may be more demand-driven and persistent than headline data suggests, how the Fed's credibility has shifted under Kevin Warsh, and why options markets still look remarkably complacent.
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Topics covered
Why ending Fed forward guidance could create more uncertainty around interest rate decisions

Kevin Muir's case that midterm election volatility is unusually cheap

Why seasonal volatility, low implied correlation and election risk may favor owning protection

Aahan Menon on inflation breadth and why 70 to 80 percent of PCE components are above the Fed's 2 percent target

Why demand-driven inflation may be stickier than supply-driven inflation

How oil shocks can feed into core inflation and increase pressure on the Fed to hike

Ben Hunt on the sudden collapse in the Fed credibility narrative and why gold has responded

The four risks facing the Fed and Treasury: oil, fading fiscal stimulus, insurance and private credit stress, and the long end of the Treasury curve

Brent Kochuba on why implied volatility and put positioning show a market with very little fear

Nvidia options positioning, potential resistance near 250 to 275, and what dealer gamma says about the stock

Stanley Druckenmiller's AI-written Wall Street Journal op-ed and what AI-assisted writing means for investment thinking

Timestamps
00:00 Midterms, inflation, Fed credibility and options complacency
07:45 Kevin Muir on why midterm volatility may be underpriced
11:55 Why this midterm could be more volatile than the options market expects
16:36 Cheap volatility and how election risk could get repriced
20:39 Inflation breadth and why the headline numbers miss the bigger problem
25:43 Why cooling inflation data may hide persistent demand-driven pressure
33:31 Ben Hunt on why the Fed credibility narrative suddenly reversed
40:01 Four risks the Fed and Treasury cannot afford to ignore
44:43 What the options market says after Jackson Hole
49:10 Why Fed events can become an expensive options tax
53:14 Why falling volatility could help stocks push toward new highs
57:34 Druckenmiller, AI-written investment commentary and authenticity
01:01:53 Why writing is part of thinking in an AI world
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Kevin Muir of The MacroTourist joins Matt Zeigler to break down the bond market, Scott Bessent's Treasury buybacks, the Treasury General Account, AI-driven earnings growth, leveraged ETF risk, gold and the U.S.-Canada trade fight. Kevin explains why rising long-term yields may be less surprising than investors think, how the AI capex boom can inflate earnings before costs show up, and why leveraged ETFs and policy uncertainty could make markets more fragile.
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Topics covered
Why stronger nominal GDP, large fiscal deficits and record corporate issuance are pressuring long-term Treasury yields

How Scott Bessent's Treasury liquidity buybacks work and why investors are comparing them with QE and Operation Twist

How replacing long-dated Treasuries with T-bills could ultimately force reserve management purchases by the Federal Reserve

Why the Treasury General Account matters for liquidity and why attempts to manage the yield curve can distort market signals

Jim Chanos's "earnings bubble" argument and how massive AI data-center capex can boost current earnings while costs are amortized

Why stock prices can fall before forward earnings estimates roll over, and why retail investors may have an advantage over institutions

How daily-reset leveraged ETFs create reflexive buying and selling and could amplify a semiconductor or single-stock selloff

Why Kevin is bullish on gold again, the role of People's Bank of China demand, and how he combines fundamentals with technical signals

Why platinum below production cost caught his attention and what rolling mini-bubbles in gold, silver and AI say about investor psychology

What 2025 U.S.-Canada trade data says about autos, oil and gas, manufacturing, tariffs and the economic cost of policy uncertainty

Timestamps
00:00 Intro
06:31 Scott Bessent's Treasury buybacks and the bond market
10:39 How T-bill issuance could lead to debt monetization
18:25 The AI capex boom and the "earnings bubble"
22:27 The giant bet embedded in accelerating AI earnings
27:37 Why leveraged ETFs are changing market structure
32:00 How forced ETF unwinds can amplify a selloff
36:41 Why Kevin is bullish on gold again
41:57 Platinum, production costs and the precious metals trade
46:08 Sentiment extremes and why popular trades get dangerous
51:00 Globalization, manufacturing and America's distribution problem
55:00 Why oil and gas dominate the U.S.-Canada trade deficit
59:00 How tariff uncertainty can deter U.S. manufacturing investment
01:03:10 The trade math Kevin wants investors to see
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Dan Rasmussen, founder and managing partner of Verdad Advisers and author of The Humble Investor, joins Kai Wu to examine the unraveling of private equity, the rise of private credit, and how AI is reshaping software, labor, and the economics of technology investing. They also explore the massive AI CapEx boom, why value investing has struggled in the intangible-heavy U.S. market, the unusual opportunity in Japanese small caps, and how investors can quantify intangible value in biotech.
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Topics covered:
Why private equity became a consensus trade and why exits are now clogged

How leverage and high debt costs threaten private equity returns

What publicly traded private equity funds reveal about true volatility and NAV discounts

How private equity shifted from old-economy buyouts into software and healthcare technology

Why AI may have erased code as a software moat while strengthening other intangible advantages

How ARR lending helped private credit finance software buyouts and created an obsolescence mismatch

What AI is doing to hiring, junior roles, productivity and the composition of work

Why the AI CapEx boom may be a crowded, path-dependent overinvestment cycle

Why traditional value metrics work better in Japan than in the intangible-heavy U.S.

How Tokyo Stock Exchange reforms, buybacks and dividends can unlock value in Japanese small caps

How R&D spend, specialist ownership and short interest can help quantify biotech value

Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
04:03 Why private equity's debt burden changes the equity math
09:24 How private equity became a software momentum trade
13:29 Why code may no longer be a durable software moat
17:48 How private credit enabled software buyouts through ARR lending
23:56 AI productivity, jobs and why displacement is slower than expected
30:23 Why the AI CapEx boom may be the market's most crowded risk
34:29 Rational overinvestment, leverage and the timing risk in AI
38:46 Why consumers may capture more of AI's value than investors
44:07 Japan's below-book-value reform and the return of old-school value
51:03 Quantifying biotech value with R&D, specialist ownership and short interest
55:08 Dan's non-consensus views on private markets and Japan
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No information discussed in this podcast should be construed as investment advice. Securities discussed may be held by the hosts and guests, their firms or their clients.