Excess Returns

In this episode of Excess Returns, Professor Aswath Damodaran joins Matt Zeigler and Kai Wu for a wide-ranging conversation on valuation, portfolio construction, and how investors should think about risk, discipline, and opportunity in a market shaped by AI, market concentration, and rising uncertainty. Damodaran walks through how he builds and manages his own portfolio, why price matters more than story or quality, and how AI-driven capital spending could reshape margins and returns across the economy. The discussion blends practical investing frameworks with big-picture market insights, offering a clear look at how a valuation-driven investor navigates today’s environment.Main topics covered• How Aswath Damodaran builds a stock portfolio, including diversification, position sizing, and turnover• Why investing is about buying at the right price, not buying great companies• Using valuation frameworks to invest in young, unprofitable, and fast-growing companies• How stories and narratives fit into valuation without replacing financial discipline• Watchlists, patience, and waiting for price rather than chasing popular stocks• Sell discipline, overvaluation triggers, and avoiding emotional attachment to winners• Using probability distributions and simulations instead of single-point estimates• How company lifecycles affect growth, margins, and capital allocation decisions• Why many companies struggle as they age and how management quality shows up late in the lifecycle• AI as a capital cycle and why massive AI investment may lower margins overall• Why AI is likely to create a bubble, even if it delivers long-term economic value• Winners and losers in the AI value chain, from infrastructure to applications• Risks from AI infrastructure spending, debt, and cross-ownership structures• Why private markets may not deliver better outcomes for individual investors• How Damodaran thinks about cash, diversification, and assets uncorrelated with equities• Reentering markets after selling and avoiding the trap of staying in cash too long• Time horizon, legacy investing, and managing wealth across generationsTimestamps00:00 Investing is about price, valuation, and early thoughts on AI and market risk01:54 Personal investing philosophy and why portfolios must be investor-specific03:00 Diversification, number of holdings, and managing downside risk05:00 Valuation frameworks and buying companies at the right price06:00 Stories versus numbers and avoiding the circle of competence trap08:20 Political risk and why some sectors are hard to value08:47 Watchlists, patience, and waiting for price to meet value11:43 When and why to sell stocks as a value investor12:00 Using probability distributions and simulations in valuation15:48 Sell discipline, fund flows, and separating skill from luck18:00 Company lifecycles, aging businesses, and management discipline23:18 Apple, Meta, and contrasting approaches to AI investment24:08 AI bubbles, winner-take-all dynamics, and capital cycles27:48 Infrastructure investing, debt risk, and societal spillovers32:20 Cross-ownership risks and AI ecosystem fragility35:00 AI’s impact on profit margins and competition39:41 Where AI value may accrue over time44:38 AI tools, valuation bots, and the rise of investment scams49:17 Private markets, alternatives, and cost structures53:05 Cash, collectibles, and diversification beyond equities56:33 Reentering markets after selling and avoiding market timing traps58:35 Time horizon, legacy investing, and generational wealth

In this episode of Excess Returns, we welcome back Liz Ann Sonders to discuss the evolving market and economic landscape heading into 2026. The conversation focuses on why this cycle feels fundamentally different, how instability rather than uncertainty is shaping investor behavior, and what that means for inflation, the labor market, Federal Reserve policy, and equity markets. Liz Ann breaks down the growing bifurcation across the economy and markets, the shift away from the Great Moderation era, and how investors should think about diversification, earnings, valuations, and AI-driven capital spending in a more volatile and fragmented environment.Main topics covered• Why today’s environment is better described as unstable rather than uncertain• The K-shaped economy and growing bifurcation across consumers, sectors, and markets• Inflation dynamics and why 2 percent may now be a floor rather than a ceiling• How deglobalization, supply chains, and tariffs are changing the inflation regime• The shifting relationship between stocks and bonds• Hard data versus soft data and what sentiment is really telling us• The labor market’s headwinds and tailwinds, including immigration and hiring trends• AI’s impact on productivity, jobs, and capital spending• The AI capex boom and how it differs from the late 1990s tech cycle• Earnings growth, valuation compression, and market broadening• Rolling recessions versus traditional economic downturns• Federal Reserve challenges under a conflicted dual mandate• Why factor-based investing matters more than sector or style callsTimestamps00:00 Introduction and why this cycle feels different02:00 Uncertainty versus instability in markets03:30 The K-shaped economy and market bifurcation07:00 Market broadening, small caps, and diversification09:00 Inflation measurement challenges and data reliability12:00 Why inflation may stay above 2 percent15:00 Stock and bond correlations across cycles17:30 Labor market crosscurrents and immigration effects20:45 AI, productivity, and entry-level job pressures24:30 Sentiment versus fundamentals in markets27:30 Retail trading, behavior, and market psychology31:00 Rolling recessions and post-pandemic distortions38:00 Technology, cyclicality, and sector rotation40:30 The Fed’s policy dilemma and internal disagreements45:00 AI capital spending and comparisons to the dot-com era51:00 Earnings growth versus valuation expansion55:00 Factors, GARP, and portfolio positioning for 2026

This episode of Excess Returns features a wide ranging conversation with Grant Williams on what he calls the hundred year pivot. Grant explains why today’s environment feels fundamentally different from the last several decades, why long held investing assumptions may no longer apply, and how declining trust in institutions, money, and markets is reshaping the global financial system. Drawing on history, macroeconomics, and decades of market experience, the discussion explores what this transition means for investors trying to navigate a world defined by uncertainty, volatility, and structural change.Main topics covered• What the hundred year pivot means and why it represents a once in a generation shift• The Fourth Turning framework and how it connects financial crises, politics, and social change• Why buy the dip worked for decades and why it may fail in the years ahead• The erosion of trust in institutions and its impact on markets and money• The financial crisis, sanctions, and the freezing of sovereign assets as turning points• The role of the dollar, gold, and central banks in a changing monetary system• Lessons from history including Bretton Woods and the Suez crisis• Why commodities and real assets matter in a world of deglobalization and reshoring• How artificial intelligence fits into the current investment cycle and capital allocation boom• Portfolio construction and behavioral challenges in a higher volatility environmentTimestamps00:00 The hundred year pivot and why this cycle is different01:30 Defining the Fourth Turning and historical cycles07:40 The financial crisis as the start of institutional breakdown11:00 Sanctions, sovereign assets, and the end of unquestioned trust in the dollar18:20 Historical parallels from Bretton Woods and the Suez crisis24:50 What could trigger a broader monetary reset28:50 Energy, geopolitics, and shifting global alliances35:00 Commodities, real assets, and rebuilding supply chains42:40 Artificial intelligence, capital cycles, and uncertainty52:30 Portfolio construction, behavior, and risk tolerance59:50 Where to follow Grant Williams and his work

In this episode of Excess Returns, we dive deep into one of the most pressing investing debates today: how to think about valuations, profit margins, and artificial intelligence in a market that feels both expensive and transformative. Sam Ro joins Matt Zeigler and Kai Wu for a wide-ranging conversation that explores whether traditional valuation tools still matter, how AI is reshaping corporate economics, and why history suggests investors should be cautious about bubble narratives even when enthusiasm runs high. From profit margins and capital intensity to the future of the Magnificent Seven, this episode focuses on how long-term investors can frame uncertainty without relying on false precision or short-term market calls.Timestamps00:00 Valuations, bubbles, and why timing markets is so hard01:41 Do valuations still matter for investors05:58 S&P 500 valuation levels versus history09:30 Profit margins and why mean reversion has not shown up yet14:39 Household finances, pricing power, and consumer resilience15:47 AI, productivity, and the limits of forecasting economic impact19:15 Valuations adjusted for structurally higher profit margins21:15 Tech multiples, growth expectations, and PEG ratios24:07 Are we in an AI bubble and why that question may not help29:14 Lessons from past bubbles and irrational exuberance30:14 How transformative AI could be compared to past innovations35:20 Massive AI capital spending and the risk of overbuild39:42 Who captures value in AI: builders versus users46:39 Revenue per worker and productivity trends48:00 Dispersion inside the Magnificent Seven51:34 Big tech shifting from asset-light to asset-heavy models59:53 Turnover among top companies over time01:01:10 Why Wall Street price targets miss the point01:04:30 Presidential cycles and market returns01:06:28 Fund manager surveys and why popular risks are often lagging indicatorsTopics coveredHow investors should think about valuations over long time horizonsWhy elevated profit margins may be more structural than cyclicalThe role of AI in productivity, earnings, and competitive dynamicsBubble psychology and lessons from the dot-com eraCapital intensity, overinvestment, and the risk of write-downsWhy AI infrastructure builders may not capture most of the valueWhat dispersion within the Magnificent Seven signals for marketsWhy broad diversification still matters in a rapidly changing market

In this episode of Excess Returns, Katie Stockton of Fairlead Strategies joins Matt Zeigler and Justin Carbonneau to walk through her technical outlook for markets as we head into 2026. The conversation focuses on trend analysis, momentum, volatility, and risk management across U.S. equities, sectors, international markets, and alternative assets. Rather than making predictions, Katie explains how she reacts to price, confirms signals, and uses a disciplined technical process to identify opportunities and manage downside risk in changing market environments.Main topics coveredMarket trend outlook for U.S. equities heading into 2026Why long-term trends remain constructive despite rising short-term risksHow to think about volatility, consolidation, and corrective phasesWhat loss of momentum in late 2025 signals for near-term positioningHow to use triangle formations, support, and resistance levelsUnderstanding DeMark indicators, MACD, and stochastic signalsLeadership shifts within large-cap technology and the Mag 7Growth versus value dynamics across market capsSmall caps, market breadth, and participation signalsSector rotation insights including technology, healthcare, financials, energy, utilities, and real estateHow sentiment indicators like fear and greed fit into a broader processGold, silver, and precious metals trends and volatilityBitcoin and crypto from a technical perspectiveThe U.S. dollar, yields, and global market implicationsInternational and emerging market opportunitiesHow the Fairlead Tactical Sector ETF is constructed and used in portfoliosWhere a tactical, risk-managed strategy can fit within asset allocationTimestamps00:00 Market setup and trend perspective for 202601:25 Long-term uptrend versus short-term risk04:16 Momentum loss and near-term caution06:00 Nasdaq 100 triangle and volatility setup07:45 Ichimoku clouds and trend confirmation11:01 Using consolidation and support levels13:05 Tech leadership and relative strength shifts18:30 Small caps, breadth, and market participation21:01 Growth versus value across market caps23:00 Market breadth and advance-decline signals24:13 Sentiment, fear and greed, and retests30:00 Breakouts, catalysts, and confirmation32:00 Sector rotation overview35:00 Energy, real estate, and rate-sensitive sectors39:10 Fairlead Tactical Sector ETF strategy45:00 International and emerging markets47:36 Gold, silver, and precious metals51:04 U.S. dollar and currency trends54:00 Bitcoin and crypto technical outlook57:12 Key indicators to watch going forward59:07 Long-term takeaways for investors