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Immaterial: Stone
Today, Frame of Mind is featuring an episode from another podcast from The Met, Immaterial. Each episode tells the stories of artists' materials to explore how and why people make art. In this episode, we cover stone. Throughout art museums around the world, you’ll find ancient stone statues of rulers and marble monuments immortalizing noblemen. These objects were made to survive decay and destruction, to remain intact and whole. But from the moment that stone is extracted from the earth, it is bound to become a more fragmented version of itself–chiseled, chipped, and sometimes shattered over time. In this episode, we examine the many ways that stone breaks. How can a statue’s cracks and cavities tell a more complex story of our humanity? Guests: Jack Soultanian, Conservator, Objects Conservation, The Met Carolyn Riccardelli, Conservator, Objects Conservation, The Met Robert Macfarlane, nature writer and mountaineer Erhan Tamur, former Andrew W. Mellon Postdoctoral Curatorial Fellow, The Met Sarah Graff, Curator, Ancient Near Eastern Art, The Met Featured artworks: Tullio Lombardo, Adam, ca. 1490–95: https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/197822 Statues of Gudea, Neo-Sumerian, ca. 2120–2090 BCE: https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/329072 https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/324061 https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010119539 For a transcript of the episode and more information, visit metmuseum.org/immaterialstone #MetImmaterial Immaterial is produced by The Metropolitan Museum of Art and Magnificent Noise and hosted by Camille Dungy. Production staff includes Salman Ahad Khan, Ann Collins, Samantha Henig, Eric Nuzum, Emma Vecchione, Sarah Wambold, and Jamie York. Additional staff includes Julia Bordelon, Skyla Choi, Maria Kozanecka, and Rachel Smith. Sound design by Ariana Martinez and Kristin Muller.Original music by Austin Fisher.Fact-checking by Mary Mathis and Claire Hyman. Immaterial is made possible by Dasha Zhukova Niarchos. Additional support is provided by the Zodiac Fund.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Art and Medicine
Have you heard people say visiting a museum is good for you? Why is that? Grace Calame-Mars, a Nursing Professional Development Specialist, and Carolyn Halpin-Healy, an Art Educator at The Met, know the first-hand benefit of art in museums as a tool to help our well-being. Hear about the art therapy program they helped organize for medical professionals at NYU Langone Hospital, where close-looking exercises improved clinical observation skills and strengthened empathy, which became especially valuable tools during the COVID-19 pandemic. Guests: Grace Calame-Mars, nurse educator at NYU Langone and Carolyn Halpin-Healy, art educator Objects mentioned in this episode: Pieter Bruegel the Elder (Netherlandish, 1525–1569). The Harvesters, 1565. Oil on wood, 47 x 63 3/4 in. (119 x 162 cm). The Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York, Rogers Fund, 1919 (19.164) Figure: Seated Couple, eighteenth–early nineteenth century. Mali, Dogon peoples. Wood, metal, H. 28 3/4 x W. 8 5/8 x D. 8 in. (73 x 21.9 x 20.3 cm). The Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York, Gift of Lester Wunderman, 1977 (1977.394.15) Jacques Louis David (French, 1748–1825). The Death of Socrates, 1787. Oil on canvas, 51 x 77 1/4 in. (129.5 x 196.2 cm). The Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York, Catharine Lorillard Wolfe Collection, Wolfe Fund, 1931 (31.45) www.metmuseum.org/frameofmind #FrameofMindSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Art Rooted in the Earth
Can art save your life? According to Virgil Ortiz, an artist from the Cochiti Pueblo in New Mexico, it can. For Virgil, making pottery with traditional materials and methods is a kind of therapy, a fundamental expression of his culture across generations. Virgil describes how the process itself brings him a sense of purpose and connection to his family, including the prayers he recites before he and his nephews dig clay from their ancestral lands. Given this living legacy, it was a significant moment for Virgil to visit The Met for the first time and see his culture represented in the Charles and Valerie Diker Collection of Native American art. Tune in to hear his story about art’s connection to belonging. Guest: Virgil Ortiz, artist and teacher Learn more about the Art of Native America: The Charles and Valerie Diker Collection at www.metmuseum.org/diker www.metmuseum.org/frameofmind #FrameofMindSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Composing New Harmonies
Can the art of music bridge differences that separate us? For Reena Esmail, working as a composer is about more than music: It’s about building what she calls “equitable musical spaces” for the performers and the audience. Born to Indian immigrants, she feels passionately that cultural difference can be a source of richness in both life and music. She remembers one memorable sitar concert at The Met that particularly inspired her to work between the worlds of Western and Indian classical music, a joyful combination that refines and uplifts her sense of purpose. Guest: Reena Esmail, composer www.metmuseum.org/frameofmind #FrameofMindSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Seeing Art Through a Pandemic Lens
How does the pandemic change our interpretation of art? Since lockdown, staff members at The Met have discovered that familiar artworks now appear different in profound and personal ways. For Alison Hokanson, assistant curator in the Department of European Paintings, a painting by Edvard Munch speaks to her need for quiet introspection after so much time isolated indoors with her husband and three children. For Abraham Thomas, Daniel Brodsky Curator of Modern Architecture, Design, and Decorative Arts, a Finnish lounge chair designed to support recovery from tuberculosis reminds him how integral design can be to healing. And for Margaret Golden, a Met docent and retired physician, a medieval Islamic mortar connects directly to the efforts of frontline medical workers saving lives today. Guests: Alison Hokanson, assistant curator, European Paintings, The Metropolitan Museum of Art Abraham Thomas, Daniel Brodsky Curator, Modern Architecture, Design and Decorative Arts, The Metropolitan Museum of Art Margaret Golden, retired physician and Met docent Objects mentioned in this episode: Edvard Munch (Norwegian, 1863–1944). Night in Saint-Cloud, 1893. Oil on canvas, 27 1/2 x 22 1/4 in. (70 x 56.7 cm). The Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York, Private collection (L.2018.2) Alvar Aalto (Finnish, 1898–1976). “Model No. 41” Lounge Chair, 1931–32. Laminated Birch, 26 1/2 x 24 x 36 in. (67.3 x 61 x 91.4 cm). The Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York, Purchase, Friends of Twentieth Century Decorative Arts Gifts, by exchange, 2000 (2000.3750) © 2022 Artists Rights Society (ARS), New York Mortar and Pestle made for Abu Bakr ‘Ali Malikzad al-Tabrizi, late twelfth–early thirteenth century. Attributed to Iran. Bronze; inlaid with silver and black compound, Mortar: H. 4 1/2 in. (11.4 cm), Diam. 5 3/4 in. (14.6 cm); Pestle: H. 10 1/2 in. (26.7 cm), Diam. 2 3/8 in (6 cm).The Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York, Edward C. Moore Collection, Bequest of Edward C. Moore, 1891 (91.1.527a, b) www.metmuseum.org/frameofmind #FrameofMindSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Are you looking for ways to calm your mind and find inspiration? Frame of Mind , an uplifting podcast from The Metropolitan Museum of Art , can help. Hear practical tips and all kinds of personal stories from artists and activists, a barber and a nurse, museum staff, and others about how art supports their well-being. At a time when well-being is more important than ever, learn how art has the power to connect, inspire, and restore us wherever we are.

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