Hangar DX Podcast

"As an industry, I feel like we've lost our minds. Teams are throwing away everything they've learned over the last many decades about how to effectively measure our engineering experiences. And we're not even just throwing it away. We're making negative progress."
Brian Houck, applied scientist at DX and co-author of the SPACE framework, joins Ankit Jain on the HangarDX podcast to break down what's actually happening when engineering organizations try to measure AI's impact.
Why token usage is the modern equivalent of measuring lines of code, and
What his research across eight dimensions of code quality actually found,
How calendar cleanup beat AI in PR throughput gains by 2x
Why culture—not tech stack—predicts which organizations get the most from AI, about
The case for "agent experience" as the next frontier of developer productivity
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Vanitha Kumar, Market Technology Director at Thoughtworks, joins Ankit Jain to talk about how code review holds up when agents are writing most of the code.
In this episode, they get into:
Why pre-integration is no longer the only place review should happen, and
How teams decide what's even worth reviewing when a feature spans twenty markdown files, and
What shifting review "left" into a teaching moment looks like in practice, plus
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Code Reviews
02:50 Evolution of Code Review Practices
05:46 The Role of Collaboration in Code Reviews
08:24 Cultural Shifts in Code Review Practices
11:12 Harness Engineering and AI in Code Reviews
16:37 The Future of Code Reviews and AI Integration
22:05 Platform Engineering in the AI Era
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Frances Coronel is a senior software engineer on the agentic SDLC team at Slack, where she builds AI-powered developer tooling and helps enable engineers and non-engineers alike in the agentic era.
In this episode of The Hangar DX podcast,, Ankit Jain, CEO of Aviator, talks to Frances about :
How Slack is shifting from solo, one-to-one development to multiplayer collaboration with agents
Why overindexing on sharing custom setups is more valuable than formal enablement programs
The PR review crisis that comes when your merge volume doubles and your review process doesn't change
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to DevXP at Slack
01:29 Understanding DevXP and Its Evolution
06:43 The Shift to Multiplayer Collaboration
09:57 Internal Workshops and Upskilling for AI Tools
14:03 The Dashboard for Tool Discovery and Usage
18:51 Tokenmaxxing and Its Implications
21:11 Democratizing Tool Building and Standardization
25:57 Challenges in PR Review Processes
30:59 Future Focus: Enablement and System Rethinking
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"A software factory is essentially a CNC machine. Without training, many people are going to cut off their hands."
In this episode of the HangarDX podcast, Ankit Jain, co-founder and CEO of Aviator, talks to Geoffrey Huntley, AI and software engineering practitioner, creator of Ralph Loop, and independent thinker on autonomous engineering, about:
- Why most companies are cargo-culting AI adoption and skipping the foundational work 
- Designing architecture for agent maintainability and not human maintainability 
- Why the next programming language won't be designed for humans at all
00:00 Introduction 
02:44 The Future of Software Development and Orchestrators
08:48 Reskilling for the New Era of Engineering
12:36 The Evolution of Engineering Organizations
17:38 Software Factories and Verification Challenges
21:34 Convergence of Programming Languages and Future Trends
27:10 Innovations in Programming Languages
28:29 The Role of Code Reviews in Modern Development
33:07 Knowledge Sharing vs. Code Review
39:05 Architectural Evolution and Decision Making
43:26 Maintaining Code Quality with AI
45:54 The Future of Programming Languages and Verification
48:37 The Role of Language in Programming and Tech Debt
51:41 AI's Impact on Tech Debt and Code Quality
55:45 Understanding AI Slop vs. Tech Debt
59:53 Automation and the Future of Code Management
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In this episode of the HangarDX podcast, Ankit Jain, co-founder and CEO of Aviator, talks to Wayne Duso, VP of Platform and Infrastructure at 1Password, about:
- How a security-first company approaches AI adoption without compromising on privacy and trust
- Why the bottleneck has shifted from writing code to planning, architecture, and verification and what that means for how engineers work
- How 1Password used agents to refactor a monolith in four hours after days of upfront spec work, and what that experiment revealed https://1password.com/blog/what-we-learned-using-ai-agents-to-refactor-a-monolith
00:00 Wayne Duso's Background and Role at 1Password
02:12 1Password's Engineering Structure and Focus
03:15 AI Adoption Journey at 1Password
07:53 AI Security Considerations for 1Password
09:49 Evolution of Engineering Workflows with AI
11:55 Shifting Bottlenecks in Software Development Life Cycle
13:23 Refactoring Monolith with Agents
18:08 AI as an Amplifier in Engineering Practices
19:09 Navigating the Tools: A Pragmatic Approach
22:03 Human Oversight in AI-Driven Development
25:54 Collaboration Between Humans and Agents
27:58 Managing Specifications for Evolving Systems
30:24 The Review Process: Balancing Speed and Quality
34:09 Adoption Rates and Developer Engagement
38:29 Evolving Metrics: Measuring Impact and Productivity
42:02 Future Initiatives: From JIRA to PR Automation
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