Hangar DX Podcast

"We can be in a flow state running in the wrong direction. Unless you can tie all your actions back to your strategic imperative, you might look back in five years and think: That was fun, but could I have gotten further?"
In this episode of the HangarDX podcast, Ankit Jain, co-founder and CEO of Aviator, talks to Steve Pereira, lead consultant at Visible Value Stream Consulting and co-founder of the Flow Collective, to discuss where AI is genuinely moving the needle versus just generating more code to review, how to think about context switching and flow state when AI makes task-switching cheaper than ever, and how teams can use value stream mapping as a framework for getting AI adoption right.
00:00 Introduction to Developer Experience and Value Stream Mapping
05:20 Understanding Value Stream Mapping in Practice
08:09 The Impact of AI on Value Stream Flow
17:06 Context Switching and Flow State in Software Development
27:48 Intentionality in Context Switching and Flow State
35:07 Value Stream Mapping as a Superpower for AI Success
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“Our internal target is to 2X our impact with AI over one year. Unlike some more outlandish mandates, that one is both aspirational and achievable,” says Emily Nakashima, SVP of Engineering at Honeycomb.
In this episode of The Hangar DX podcast, Emily shares how Honeycomb approached AI adoption at scale and why they try not to focus on metrics that can be gamed but rely more on self-reporting by developers.
Emily also discusses:
- Why flattening org charts is a short-term optimization that will cost companies later
- How Honeycomb issued a company-wide 2X mandate and what actually happened when they did
- Why the "buffet phase" of AI tool adoption is over and what a structured rollout looks like
- Why self-reporting beats hard metrics when measuring AI's impact on your team
- Why observability is more critical than ever in a world of non-deterministic AI-generated code
- Why AI SRE tools demo well but often fall short, and what they need to actually work
00:00 Introduction to Developer Experience and AI
02:19 Emily's Journey in Engineering and Leadership
05:15 Navigating Career Growth in Engineering
06:28 Cultural Shifts in Engineering Management
09:50 The Evolving Role of Engineering Managers
12:59 Upskilling in the Age of AI
17:50 AI Strategy and Product Development at Honeycomb
21:38 Measuring AI Impact and Productivity
28:09 The Future of Observability and AI in Engineering
About Emily Nakashima
Emily serves as SVP of Engineering at Honeycomb. A former manager and engineering leader at multiple developer tools companies, including Bugsnag and GitHub, Emily is passionate about building best-in-class, consumer-quality tools for engineers. She has a background in product engineering, performance optimization, client-side monitoring, and design.

About Hangar DX (dx.community)
The Hangar is a community of senior DevOps and senior software engineers focused on developer experience. This is a space where vetted, experienced professionals can exchange ideas, share hard-earned wisdom, troubleshoot issues, and ultimately help each other in their projects and careers.

"The future is already here, it's just unevenly distributed.", says Ryan J. Salva, Google and GitHub dev tools veteran.
Ryan also shares:
How OpenAI nearly took down GitHub's servers and how that incident seeded the creation of Copilot
The five stages of autonomous engineering and why most teams are stuck between stage three and four
Why DevOps and SRE are the next untouched frontier of AI
The three-step playbook for rolling out AI tools across large engineering teams without regressing on quality
Why context, not the model, is the most important investment in AI-assisted development.
About Ryan J. Salva
Ryan is an experienced developer, product manager, and founder with 25 years of experience building developer tools at startups, Microsoft. GitHub, and now Google. Ryan leads product teams responsible for developer onboarding, code authoring, build and deployment systems, logging, observability, and end-to-end developer experiences.
About Hangar DX (https://dx.community/)
The Hangar is a community of senior DevOps and senior software engineers focused on developer experience. This is a space where vetted, experienced professionals can exchange ideas, share hard-earned wisdom, troubleshoot issues, and ultimately help each other in their projects and careers.
We invite developers who work in DX and platform teams at their respective companies or who are interested in developer productivity.

“Engineers don’t always like merge queue because they have to wait longer for their PRs to merge. But the trade-off is that the quality of those merges will be higher, and the company will have less downtime and outages,” says Jon Block, founder of LowRouchAdvisor. 
Using a merge queue is like wearing a seatbelt, he adds, the only responsible thing to do for large engineering organizations that ship products that matter.
Jon also shares best practices and lessons learned about scaling build and deploy from his 26 years of experience. 
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Developer Experience and Scaling Repositories
01:37 Managing Repositories in Large Organizations
05:24 Monorepo vs. Multirepo: Pros and Cons
07:53 Challenges of Merge Queues and Deployment at Scale
13:02 GitHub Merge Queue Limitations and Solutions
15:36 Batching, Stability, and Deployment Strategies
19:16 Train Method of Deployment and Rollbacks
22:37 Build Systems, Bazel, and Build Avoidance
23:20 Impact of Flaky Tests and Automation
28:46 Adopting Merge Queues and Cultural Challenges
34:11 AI in Development: Opportunities and Risks
37:41 Closing Remarks and Resources

About Jon Block
Jon Block has spent 26 years in software engineering, nearly all of it at high-growth startups. He has served as VP of Engineering and CTO multiple times and today advises engineering organizations through his firm, Low Touch Advisors.
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We invite developers who work in DX and platform teams at their respective companies or who are interested in developer productivity.
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The way that AI is changing software engineering is a bigger shift than object-oriented programming, the internet, and Agile together.", says Dave Farley, author of Continuous Delivery and Modern Software Engineering.
Dave also shares why programming languages were designed to help engineers decompose problems into smaller chunks, the three fundamental problems of AI coding, why verification becomes the bottleneck in AI-assisted coding, and why engineering discipline, test-driven development, and behavior-driven development matter even more in this new era.
00:00 Introduction to Developer Productivity and Experience
02:13 Dave Farley's Journey in Software Engineering
08:23 The Impact of AI on Software Development
11:00 AI Tools and Their Role in Coding
16:39 The Importance of TDD and BDD in AI Development
20:37 Testing and Feedback Loops in AI Programming
25:30 Navigating Ambiguity in Specifications
29:29 Future of Software Architecture with AI
34:55 Adapting to AI in Software Engineering Practices
37:28 Conclusion and Future Perspectives
About Dave Farley
Dave is a pioneer of continuous delivery, a thought leader and expert practitioner in CD, DevOps, TDD, and software design, and shares his expertise through his consultancy, YouTube channel ‪@ModernSoftwareEngineeringYT‬ , books, and training courses. Dave co-authored the definitive book on Continuous Delivery and has published Modern Software Engineering.
About Hangar DX (https://dx.community/)
The Hangar is a community of senior DevOps and senior software engineers focused on developer experience. This is a space where vetted, experienced professionals can exchange ideas, share hard-earned wisdom, troubleshoot issues, and ultimately help each other in their projects and careers.
We invite developers who work in DX and platform teams at their respective companies or who are interested in developer productivity.
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