Ordinary to Extraordinary - The Podcast

Today’s guest is Dr. Dan Buckland — an emergency physician and Associate Professor of Emergency Medicine & Mechanical Engineering at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, and one of the leading thinkers at the intersection of human performance, medical risk, and space exploration. He has served as the Deputy Human System Risk Manager at NASA, helping shape how we keep astronauts healthy and safe on long‑duration missions. Dr Buckland is also a researcher in autonomy, robotics, and human‑factors engineering, bringing systems thinking from aerospace into the emergency department. Few people understand high‑stakes decision‑making — on Earth and Beyond! — the way he does.

In this episode we uncover the way Dr Buckland thinks and approaches complex problems, how he considers risk, how AI and autonomous systems and tools are shaping our futures, and what it was like to work in NASA.

https://emed.wisc.edu/people/daniel-buckland/
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Paul Vicary served for over 35 years in the British Army, including 22 years within UK Special Forces earning a meritorious medal for his service. He has operated in high-pressure environments worldwide, faced adversity head-on, and is one of the few individuals in the World who has walked to both the North and South Poles unsupported. His experiences prepared him for a second multifaceted career as a mental fitness coach, motivational speaker, and Director of a mental health training consultancy company, XCalibrelimited. He is an author, and his book “Plan D”, shares his experience of his North Pole expedition and the lessons that come from it.

Paul's motto: "Do the best I can in everything I do."

Paul's book: "Plan D"
Amazon USA: https://a.co/d/00Waniwy
Amazon UK: https://amzn.eu/d/0f3RES1D

https://paulvicary.com/

https://x-calibremh.co.uk/

https://www.instagram.com/xcalibrelimited/

https://www.instagram.com/xcalibretreks/
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Sue Williams is one of the world’s most experienced hostage and kidnap negotiators. A former senior detective at New Scotland Yard, she led both the Kidnap Unit and the Hostage Crisis Negotiation Unit, advising UK Prime Ministers and international governments during some of the most complex and sensitive abduction cases of the last three decades.

Her work spans war‑zone kidnaps, maritime piracy, cyber‑extortion, and covert negotiations for high‑profile families.

Today, she teaches negotiation and crisis leadership at Oxford Saïd Business School, and crisis management at Harvard University, and continues to advise global organizations on high‑stakes decision‑making under pressure.

We talk to Sue about her journey into becoming a hostage negotiator, and some of the communication tools she uses to effect successful negotiations: things we can all use in our daily lives.

Active Listening Tool: "MOREPIES"
Minimal encouragers
Open ended questions
Reflecting
Emotion labels
Paraphrasing
"I" messages
Effective pauses
Summary

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(photograph of Suzanne Williams used with permission by Suzanne Williams)
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Nick Lopez is a professional baseball player for the Texas Tailgaters, competing in the rapidly exploding phenomenon known as Banana Ball—often called the “greatest show in sports”—where he’s established himself as one of the league’s premier hitters. Like Banana Ball, his journey there is anything but typical.

Growing up, he had no collegiate offers out of high school. What he did have was relentless drive and an unshakable belief in his ability. That mindset pushed him to chase opportunity wherever he could find it. Even after a serious injury, he accelerated through the college ranks, ultimately finishing at the University of Kentucky, where he helped lead the program to its first-ever College World Series appearance—and earning himself SEC First Team and All-American honors along the way.

Undrafted in traditional baseball, many would have seen that as the end of the road. Nick saw it as a pivot point. He launched his own business, stayed ready, and ultimately earned his shot in Banana Ball—now performing in front of sold-out crowds of up to 80,000 fans a night.

This is a story of resilience, reinvention, and about creating opportunities, not waiting for them.

The Texas Tailgaters: https://bananaball.com/the-texas-tailgaters/

Nick Lopez: Insta: @dimitri.lopez_

Nick's business: Leisure House
https://leisurehouse.mykajabi.com/
Insta: @theleisureverse

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We are delighted to welcome back Dr Andrew Petrosoniak, who we first interviewed on episode 22, when we explored the role of coaches in medicine. In this episode we will take a deep dive into decision making. Human are estimated to make approximately 35,000 decisions a day. Very few of us have received formal instruction in how to make decisions particularly when under pressure, but like many things, decision making is a skill that can be learnt and trained. Andrew is an expert in human factors and has studied and thought about the elements that go into critical decision making, and he will present 8 tools we can all use to help us make better decisions.

Dr Petrosoniak is an emergency physician and trauma team leader at St. Michael’s Hospital, and an Assistant Professor in the Department of Medicine at the University of Toronto. Dr. Petrosoniak’s academic work focuses on using simulation to help design clinical infrastructure and improve patient safety. His other area of research involves understanding how rare, life-saving procedures can be best taught and practiced using simulation.

In 2020 Andrew co-founded Advanced Performance HealthCare Design - a company focused on using simulation, behavioural psychology and clinical expertise to enhance high performance teams in healthcare.
https://advancedperformance.ca/

Andrew is an invited speaker both nationally and internationally, and so we are honored that he has agreed to talk to us a second time!

8 Decision Making Tools:
Reduce decisions whenever possible.
Sign-post decisions.
Deliberately consider alternative options.
Assign probabilities to decisions.
Use one-line summaries, and simplify where possible.
Use a pre-mortem.
Debrief decisions.
Learn from decisions.

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