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    ATL269: Microsoft Agent 365

    07/08/2026 | 31 mins.
    ATL269 — Microsoft Agent 365
    Program: Accounting Technology Lab
    Hosts: Randy Johnston and Brian F. Tankersley, CPA.CITP, CGMA
    Approximate runtime: 31 minutes
    Resource: 100 Free AI Prompts for Accounting - https://cpate.ch/100-prompts-atl
    Primary topic: Governed deployment, monitoring, security, and economics of enterprise AI agents
    200-Word Episode Summary
    In ATL269, Randy Johnston and Brian Tankersley examine Microsoft Agent 365 as a control plane for deploying, monitoring, governing, and securing AI agents. They frame the shift as a move from per-seat software licensing toward an AI token economy, where tokens function like staff time, prompts replace checklists, and agents perform repeatable work at speed. Practical examples include invoice extraction, email drafting, financial-statement analysis, and budgeting—tasks that may cost pennies in model usage while still requiring review and judgment. The hosts argue that Agent 365 gives accounting firms an alternative to “Wild West” experimentation by extending Microsoft 365 security, auditability, and governance over agents. They discuss Copilot, Agent Builder, Copilot Studio, Microsoft Foundry, Azure AI, Power BI, Defender, Purview, and the E7 licensing bundle. Privacy, records retention, e-discovery, intellectual property, and workflow ownership receive attention because firms may expose sensitive client data or proprietary processes when using public AI platforms. Their practical recommendation is measured experimentation: convert checklists into prompts, move tasks into agents, retain humans in the loop, establish token budgets, and evaluate results firsthand. The message is urgent but cautious: firms need not operate at the bleeding edge, but they must start learning before competitors pull ahead.
    Key Takeaways
    ·        The economic unit of AI is shifting from a user license toward token consumption and task-level cost.
    ·        Tokens can be managed like staff time, prompts like procedures, and agents like digital staff assignments.
    ·        Agentic workflows depend on steps, loops, exception handling, context, permissions, and human review.
    ·        Agent 365’s differentiator is governance: visibility, monitoring, security, auditability, and centralized control.
    ·        Public AI tools create material concerns involving PII, PHI, client confidentiality, retention, e-discovery, and vendor training practices.
    ·        Proprietary workflows may be valuable intellectual property and should not be surrendered casually to a model provider.
    ·        Model selection should balance quality and cost with privacy, security, regulatory fit, and data ownership.
    ·        Accounting firms should begin with controlled experiments and measurable use cases rather than enterprise-wide autonomous deployment.
    ·        Human reviewers remain accountable for conclusions, professional judgment, client context, and exceptions.
    ·        Firms need AI governance policies, token budgets, approved-tool lists, monitoring, and documented escalation procedures.
    Catchy Quotes and Video Locations
    ·        01:48–01:50 — Brian Tankersley: “Yeah, so it’s an F-150 and not a G-Wagon.”
    ·        04:22–04:30 — Brian Tankersley: “This is like sending it to staff first, and the staff costs three cents.”
    ·        09:35–09:51 — Brian Tankersley: “I’m seeing tokens as staff time on the schedule… We used to have checklists, and now we have prompts.”
    ·        10:09–10:22 — Brian Tankersley: “They get work done so fast that the human is now the logjam in the process.”
    ·        15:32–15:48 — Randy Johnston: “Microsoft Agent 365 is the control plane for agents… Is it perfect yet? No. Is it pretty doggone good? Yes.”
    ·        17:25–17:41 — Brian Tankersley: “We have the grown-ups in charge now, and we’re going to systematize this in a way that we can regulate and do the right way.”
    ·        28:02–28:13 — Brian Tankersley: “Take your checklists and turn them into prompts, and take tasks that are on the schedule and push them into agents.”
    ·        29:31–29:43 — Brian Tankersley: “The train is leaving the station… If you don’t get started on this stuff, you’re going to be behind, and so it’s time to go.”
    ·        30:19–30:30 — Brian Tankersley: “It is critical that you get your hands dirty with some of these things, because it’s the only way that you will be able to evaluate whether something really works or not.”
  • The Accounting Technology Lab

    Scaling New Heights 2026, Part Two

    04/08/2026 | 23 mins.
    ATL268 — Scaling New Heights 2026, Part Two is an episode of the Accounting Technology Lab podcast hosted by Randy Johnston and Brian F. Tankersley, CPA.CITP, CGMA.
    In Part Two of their Scaling New Heights 2026 recap, Randy Johnston and Brian Tankersley examine what the conference revealed about artificial intelligence, accounting platforms and the profession’s readiness for change. They describe an unusually divided AI adoption curve: a relatively small group is experimenting aggressively with agents and advanced workflows, while many accounting professionals have done little or nothing with the technology.
    The hosts review keynote speakers, educational sessions and the conference’s AI-enabled general-ledger tour. Products discussed include Campfire, SoftLedger, Kick, Xero, Puzzle, Microsoft Dynamics 365 Business Central, Sage, Digits, Zoho and Acumatica. They also observe growing dissatisfaction with Intuit and uncertainty about replacements for QuickBooks Desktop.
    A central lesson is that firms should not select technology merely to reproduce today’s processes. Instead, they should define how services, pricing and workflows should operate three to five years from now and choose platforms that support that future. Johnston and Tankersley also warn that an overcrowded accounting-technology market will produce additional vendor failures and discontinued products. Firms therefore need careful due diligence, realistic implementation plans, data-export procedures and a viable Plan B—even when buying from established publishers.
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    KEY THEMES
    AI adoption is highly uneven - Brian estimates that approximately 10% of conference participants were actively working with agents and advanced AI, another 10% had experimented with prompts, and a much larger group appeared to have done little with the technology. Randy compares the pattern to a K-shaped economy rather than a traditional bell-shaped adoption curve.
    Compliance still dominates - Despite years of discussion about client advisory services, many firms remain heavily dependent on compliance work. The transition to advisory, alternative pricing and technology-supported higher-value services continues more slowly than industry advocates expected.
    Accounting platforms are entering a transition period - The exhibit floor showed renewed competition among traditional accounting systems, AI-native ledgers and broader ERP platforms. Several offerings emphasized automated transaction coding, reconciliations, close management, reporting and real-time financial information.
    Firms must buy for their future operating model - A replacement platform should support the firm that management intends to operate in three to five years—not simply recreate existing workflows. Strategy concerning pricing, advisory services, staffing and automation should precede product selection.
    Every firm needs a technology exit plan - Vendor shutdowns, acquisitions and product discontinuations affect both startups and established publishers. Firms should understand data ownership, export formats, contractual terms, conversion options and the operational consequences of replacing a core application.

    Notable quotes
    03:34 | Brian Tankersley | “The tool’s ready to be used… The challenge is pulling along those laggards that are out there.”
    04:41 | Randy Johnston | “You’ve got the really early adopters, and you’ve got the other people that aren’t moving—and there’s a big gap in the middle.”
    10:29 | Brian Tankersley | “It felt like there were a lot of people that were in the middle of a divorce with Intuit right now.”
    17:43 | Randy Johnston | “There’s too doggone many products trying to get to too small of a market.”
    20:58 | Brian Tankersley | “You need to have a Plan B in your workflow for what’s going to happen if your product is discontinued.”
    21:41 | Brian Tankersley | “Pick the tools that are going to enable not how you run the firm today, but how the firm’s going to run in three years—five years.”
    22:39 | Brian Tankersley | “We’re seeing an increasing rate of failures because they’re trying to buy products that solve the old workflow.”

    Episode information
    Episode: ATL268 — Scaling New Heights 2026, Part Two
    Publication date: July 31, 2026
    Recorded: July 2, 2026
    Hosts: Randy Johnston and Brian F. Tankersley, CPA.CITP, CGMA
    Program: Accounting Technology Lab
    Presented by: CPA Practice Advisor
    Approximate runtime: 23 minutes, 35 seconds
    Primary topics: Scaling New Heights 2026, artificial intelligence, AI-enabled general ledgers, technology adoption, advisory services, software selection, vendor risk and accounting-platform migration
  • The Accounting Technology Lab

    AI is the Ultimate Accounting Assistant, Part Two (with Guest Sasha Orloff)

    24/07/2026 | 10 mins.
    ATL267 – AI Is the Ultimate Accounting Assistant, Part Two
    Guest: Sasha Orloff, Co-founder and CEO of Puzzle
    Hosts: Randy Johnston and Brian F. Tankersley, CPA.CITP, CGMA
    Program: Accounting Technology Lab, presented by CPA Practice Advisor
    Episode length: Approximately 10 minutes
    Episode Summary
    In part two of the conversation with Puzzle co-founder and CEO Sasha Orloff, the Accounting Technology Lab examines how accounting professionals can begin adopting artificial intelligence without abandoning their existing knowledge, systems, or professional judgment.
    Orloff recommends starting with a difficult but low-risk problem rather than using AI only for trivial experiments. Accountants should remove client-identifying information, use personal or anonymized data, and practice explaining a task as clearly as they would to a highly capable new employee who lacks accounting experience. A prompt, in this context, becomes much like a detailed checklist: it defines the expected steps, safeguards, and outcome.
    The discussion also distinguishes helpful AI assistance from uncontrolled automation. Puzzle’s approach allows agents to prepare work while requiring human approval before anything is posted to the ledger. Randy Johnston emphasizes that the profession does not need technology that eliminates accountants; it needs technology that makes accountants more effective.
    Orloff argues that firms creating a safe culture of experimentation will improve productivity, profitability, and client service. Brian Tankersley closes with a challenge to accounting leaders: become sufficiently familiar with AI to evaluate solutions intelligently, guide employees, and lead clients through change. The central message is simple—AI adoption does not require reckless transformation, but it does require action.
    Key Episode Themes
    Begin with meaningful work. Testing AI on an authentic, complicated problem reveals more than asking it to perform a novelty task.
    Use low-risk information. Remove client names, confidential information, personally identifiable information, and other sensitive data before experimenting.
    Treat prompts as process documentation. AI performs better when instructions describe each step, decision, constraint, and expected output.
    Keep accountants in control. AI can draft transactions, reconciliations, analyses, and journal entries, but accountable professionals should review and approve the results.
    Create a culture of experimentation. Firm leaders should give employees permission and guardrails to explore AI safely.
    Leadership requires firsthand knowledge. Accountants do not have to adopt every AI product, but they need enough experience to distinguish practical capabilities from marketing claims.
    Suggested Episode Highlights
    Sasha Orloff explains why accountants should test AI on difficult, meaningful tasks.
    Detailed prompts function like checklists for accounting processes.
    Firms should experiment only with anonymized, nonconfidential information.
    Puzzle’s agents require approval before posting changes to the ledger.
    AI should enhance accountants rather than remove them from the process.
    Accountants retain responsibility for judgment, review, and accountability.
    Firm leaders must establish guardrails that make safe experimentation acceptable.
    Practical AI productivity in accounting is beginning to move beyond novelty.
    Professionals who learn now may gain improvements in margins, capacity, and service.
    Accounting leaders must develop enough firsthand knowledge to evaluate AI vendors critically.

    CPAFirm
    ClientAccountingServices
    CAS
    MonthEndClose
    ProfessionalJudgment
    ResponsibleAI
    HumanInTheLoop
    DigitalTransformation
    PracticeManagement
    PromptEngineering
    AccountingPodcast
    Puzzle
    Products, Services, and Companies Mentioned
    Product, service, or companyContext in the episodeXFacebookLinkedInInstagramPuzzle | AI-native accounting platform and ledger discussed by Sasha Orloff; supports agent-assisted workflows with approval controls | @puzzlefin | No official account identified | Puzzle | No official account identified
    ChatGPT | General-purpose AI assistant suggested for testing anonymized transactions and charts of accounts | @OpenAI | OpenAI | OpenAI | @openai
    OpenAI | Developer and publisher of ChatGPT | @OpenAI | OpenAI | OpenAI | @openai
    Gemini | Google AI assistant suggested for controlled accounting experiments | @GoogleGemini | Google | Google | @googlegemini
    Google | Developer and publisher of Gemini | @Google | Google | Google | @google
    Claude | Anthropic AI assistant suggested for controlled accounting experiments | Anthropic | No official product-specific account identified | Anthropic | No official product-specific account identified
    Anthropic | Developer and publisher of Claude | @AnthropicAI | No official account identified | Anthropic | No official account identified
    X, formerly Twitter | Social platform referenced as a source of AI news and discussion | @X | Not applicable | X | @x
    CPA Practice Advisor | Presenter and sponsor of the Accounting Technology Lab | @CPAPracAdvisor | CPA Practice Advisor | CPA Practice Advisor | @cpapracticeadvisor

    Verification note: Social-media availability and account names can change. Puzzle’s website links directly to its LinkedIn and X accounts.
  • The Accounting Technology Lab

    AI is the Ultimate Accounting Assistant, with guest Sasha Orloff

    17/07/2026 | 33 mins.
    Title: ATL266 — AI Is the Ultimate Accounting Assistant
    Wiki: ATL266 - CPA Tech Wiki
    Guest: Sasha Orloff, CEO of Puzzle
    Hosts: Randy Johnston and Brian F. Tankersley, CPA.CITP, CGMA
    Publisher/Sponsor: CPA Practice Advisor

    AI Is the Ultimate Accounting Assistant—But the Accountant Is Still Accountable

    In ATL266, hosts Randy Johnston and Brian Tankersley speak with Sasha Orloff, CEO of Puzzle, about why artificial intelligence should be viewed as an accounting assistant rather than an autonomous replacement for accountants. Orloff argues that accounting is fundamentally an accountability profession: AI can prepare work, identify anomalies, execute firm-defined rules, and accelerate close processes, but a qualified human must review, approve, and remain responsible for the books.
    The conversation contrasts probabilistic generative AI with deterministic accounting workflows. Puzzle’s approach lets firms describe policies in natural language, confirm the system’s interpretation, and preserve those instructions as repeatable agents. Examples include automatically preparing depreciation for computer purchases and recognizing annual prepaid rent according to a fixed schedule. These agents preserve firm knowledge, create audit trails, and reduce repetitive clicking without silently changing records.
    The speakers also explore accuracy, trust, staffing shortages, and the limitations of legacy accounting platforms. Orloff says firms adopting governed automation can close faster, improve accuracy, scale without proportional hiring, and potentially give staff significant time back each month. The central message is optimistic but disciplined: firms that combine AI speed with human judgment, transparent controls, and explicit sign-off can deliver better client service, higher margins, and more rewarding accounting work.

    Key Themes
    ·       AI as an assistant and amplifier of professional judgment
    ·       Accountability, review, approval, and auditability
    ·       Deterministic agents versus probabilistic AI
    ·       Preserving firm procedures and client-specific knowledge
    ·       Faster monthly closes and improved consistency
    ·       Staffing leverage, higher margins, and better work-life balance
    ·       Gradual, opt-in adoption of AI-powered workflows

    Catchy Quotes and Video Locations
    00:33 — Sasha Orloff:
    “AI is going to be one of the biggest booms for accounting, and accountants are going to make more money because of AI than ever before.”
    06:49 — Sasha Orloff:
    “The difference is an AI is going to sound really confident when it guesses the wrong way.”
    09:09 — Sasha Orloff:
    “Our customer is the accounting firm, and what does that mean? It means we defer to them as the experts.”
    16:01 — Sasha Orloff:
    “An agent is a piece of software that executes a very specific task.”
    21:31 — Sasha Orloff:
    “This can be designed…not to replace you, but to make you the best version.”
    22:13 — Sasha Orloff:
    “You define your month close process as a set of agents…and just let it prepare and help you become your best version.”
    24:14 — Sasha Orloff:
    “The accountant is the expert. You just need too many clicks to get that expertise implemented.”
    30:41 — Sasha Orloff:
    “Could you imagine having a week of vacation every month and making the same amount of money?”
  • The Accounting Technology Lab

    ATL265 - Scaling New Heights 2026- "Strange New World"

    10/07/2026 | 23 mins.
    In this episode of the Accounting Technology Lab, Randy Johnston and Brian Tankersley discuss Scaling New Heights 2026 from Orlando and unpack why this year’s theme, "Strange New World," feels especially relevant for accountants. Randy shares observations from the conference floor, including strong attendance, a large exhibitor presence, sessions on AI, data cleanup, SOPs written with AI, and main stage presentations featuring technology, magic, and thought leadership.

    The conversation moves from conference recap to practical implications for the profession. Randy and Brian explore how AI is changing advisory services, why clean data remains essential, and why accountants need to understand the difference between deterministic accounting systems and probabilistic AI systems. They also discuss AI governance, privacy policies, EULAs, subprocessors, Microsoft’s compliance posture, and why professional standards require accountants to be more careful with client data than many other business functions.
    This episode is ideal for accounting professionals who want a grounded perspective on AI’s role in the profession, what was being discussed at one of the year’s major accounting technology conferences, and how firm leaders should think about education, governance, and responsible adoption.
    Show Notes:
    Scaling New Heights 2026 used the theme "Strange New World," reflecting the rapid and sometimes unsettling changes created by AI.
    Randy reported solid attendance of about 2,000 attendees and approximately 133 exhibitors.
    AI-powered general ledgers and AI-enabled accounting workflows were prominent conference topics.
    Clean data remains a prerequisite for useful AI output.
    Sessions emphasized practical AI use, including advisory services, growth strategies, and SOP development.
    Daniel Susskind’s main stage presentation explored work, professions, education, AI, and artificial general intelligence.
    Education and change management are becoming central to AI adoption in accounting firms.
    AI governance is becoming more important than a simple AI policy.
    Privacy policies, EULAs, subprocessors, and data use for model training require careful review.
    Microsoft’s compliance and governance approach was discussed as especially relevant for the accounting profession.
    Accountants must understand that traditional accounting systems are deterministic, while many AI systems are probabilistic.
    Brian used the vending machine vs. slot machine analogy to explain why AI outputs require review and professional judgment.
    Pull Quotes
    "There’s just a lot of things that are strange with AI." - Randy Johnston
    "You can’t make filet mignon out of hamburger." - Brian Tankersley
    "Education is the response to AI." - Randy Johnston, discussing themes from Daniel Susskind’s presentation
    "It is very ish." - Brian Tankersley, on the probabilistic nature of AI
    "We have to be grown-ups all the time." - Brian Tankersley, on professional obligations around private client data
    "Last year we said you always start with a policy, but now you’ve got to restrict things with governance." - Randy Johnston
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