The Community Cats Podcast

"They're not actually trying to scratch your couch and cause disaster. They're just doing what cats do."
This episode is sponsored-in-part by Maddie's Fund, OcuTrap, and The Community Cat Clinic.
Dr. Katie Hankins has been a veterinarian for nearly 30 years, and much of that time she's spent on behavioral medicine, where the root issue usually turns out to be unmet needs rather than a "bad" animal. Joining Stacy from Sydney, Australia, Katie argues that we've gotten the idea of enrichment backward. We treat it as an optional extra, like icing on a cupcake, when it's really about recognizing that we've brought a completely different species into our homes and asking what that species needs to thrive.
For cats, that means scratching surfaces, vertical space, room to get away from housemates, and food that takes some work to get. Katie walks through five categories of enrichment (physical, social, dietary, sensory, and cognitive) and explains why indoor cats in particular need us to curate their world. Stressed cats don't announce it. Instead they turn up at the vet with urinary problems, over-grooming, or gut issues. She also covers practical feeding advice for both indoor cats and TNR colonies, plus why food and water bowls shouldn't sit side by side.
Litter boxes get a thorough look, too. Katie explains why litter box trouble is such an avoidable reason cats end up in shelters, why three boxes lined up in a row count as just one, and why she'd happily ban long-lasting crystal litter. She shares a recent home visit where a narrow hallway turned into contested territory between two cats, and how a few shelves solved it. Finally, she introduces Savvy Enrichment, an app she built to make daily enrichment easy instead of one more thing to feel guilty about.
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The five big categories of enrichment and where cat owners most often go wrong
Feeding advice for TNR colony cats and indoor cats, including whisker fatigue
The litter box formula: how many boxes, where to put them, and which litter to avoid
How vertical space can turn a small apartment into a cat playground
How the Savvy Enrichment app generates daily activity ideas for your cat
Resources & Links
Savvy Enrichment
Savvy Enrichment on Instagram
Savvy Enrichment on Facebook
Savvy Enrichment on YouTube

"If you're not doing targeted trapping, you're working too hard. You're working way too hard."
This episode is sponsored-in-part by Maddie's Fund, OcuTrap, and Jessica Dolce, Compassion Fatigue + Grief Educator.
Julie Morriss has 30 years in animal welfare behind her, but the Summerlee Sustainable Solutions Grant Program still changed how she works. After taking the Community Cat Program Management course, she brought targeted trapping home to Waco, Texas.
The results came fast. Julie walks through a 40-to-55-cat colony that reached 99% sterilization in about seven and a half months and had no new kittens this year. She also shares how she uses trap training and drop traps on the toughest cats.
Stacy and Julie also discuss who the course is for and why every town needs a community cat expert. Julie's message to everyone in the field is to keep going, because every cat counts.
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How a kid who was allergic to cats became a TNR advocate
Why Julie applied to the Summerlee Sustainable Solutions Grant Program
What an experienced trapper got out of the Community Cat Program Management course
Targeted trapping vs. "willy-nilly" TNR
Triaging calls and focusing volunteers on colonies of 10 or more
Taking a 40-to-55-cat colony to 99% in about seven and a half months
Asking caregivers to withhold food before trapping, the hardest part of the job
Setting up a kitten pathway before you start trapping
Trap training on a rural property, and when to switch to a drop trap
Who the course is for, and how many hours a week it takes
Being the town's community cat expert
Building transport relays with neighboring counties
Resources & Links
Animal Birth Control Clinic
Community Cat Program Management Certification Course

"In terms of surrender prevention, this is low-hanging fruit. It costs nothing."
This episode is sponsored-in-part by Maddie's Fund, OcuTrap, and Jessica Dolce, Compassion Fatigue + Grief Educator.
Matt Wildman grew up with as many as nine rescue dogs and didn't have a real relationship with a cat until he was 26. That's when he met his girlfriend and her six cats. One of them, Shirley, licked him on the head while he was resting, and he was smitten. Matt went from teaching high school history in Brooklyn to humane education at Animal Care Centers of NYC. Later, at a Humane World for Animals surrender-prevention program, he asked certified cat behavior consultant Beth Adelman to teach him everything she knew. Three years and dozens of cases under her mentorship turned him into a cat behaviorist.
The idea for a national helpline had been on his mind since 2013, when he built a cat behavior counseling course that trained 250 shelter and rescue staff and volunteers. Shelters kept losing their trained counselors to turnover, though, and the gap never closed. When Humane World asked him to rebuild the course, Matt saw his chance. He emailed all 250 past students, recruited his first volunteers from that list, and launched the National Cat Behavior Helpline in March. It's free for shelters and for cat owners, it runs entirely by phone, and it's built on follow-up. Volunteers keep calling until a case is resolved, and they offer practical, judgment-free advice that fits each person's time and budget.
Stacy and Matt also get into the questions shelters hear every day. They cover play aggression in under-stimulated cats, why you shouldn't adopt a second cat to fix a behavior problem, how spay/neuter can change behavior, and what to do when community cats outside the window upset the cat inside. Matt also shares his "small desert" approach to litter boxes. His request to shelters is simple: send cases his way, because keeping cats in their homes is what the helpline is for.[/one_second]
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How a lifelong dog person became a cat behaviorist
Why so many behavior problems come from cats who aren't getting enough play
Three 10- to 15-minute play sessions a day, and how to fit them in
Why shelters should email client details to the helpline instead of just handing out the number
Follow-up as the key to resolving behavior cases
Being the cat owner's ally, especially when someone in the house wants the cat gone
When the helpline calls in a veterinary behaviorist
Spay/neuter as part of fixing behavior problems
What to do about outdoor cats that are upsetting the cat indoors
The "small desert" approach: open boxes, unscented clumping litter, scooping twice a day, and where to put the box
Whether you really need one more litter box than you have cats
Resources & Links
Email the National Cat Behavior Helpline
Safe Haven Farm Sanctuary Cat Behavior Hotline Website

"We're not hiding in back alleys in the dark at night. We're out there on the streets, on the front lines, and we're in city hall."
This episode is sponsored-in-part by Maddie's Fund, OcuTrap, and Jessica Dolce, Compassion Fatigue + Grief Educator.
Danielle Bays planned to be a veterinarian until a cat with his leg caught in a leghold trap was left in the parking lot of the clinic where she worked. He recovered, but the question stayed with her: how does this happen in the first place? That question led her into animal policy, and years later a family of feral cats in her new backyard brought her back to cats and to building a citywide community cat program for Washington, D.C.
In this conversation with Stacy, Danielle explains where the laws that affect cats are really made: at your city council and county commission, not in Congress. The people in those seats are your neighbors. They have a lot on their plates, and you should assume they know nothing about TNR. Her advice is to introduce yourself before there's a problem, because the first thing an official usually hears about cats is a complaint.
That's often how feeding bans happen. Danielle describes how cats get folded into wildlife feeding restrictions without anyone noticing until the ordinance has passed. She also lays out the alternative: timed meals instead of food left out, clean sites, permission from property owners, and caretakers who feel safe feeding in the open. As she points out, once you prohibit something, you can no longer monitor whether it's being done well.
Danielle and Stacy also get into return-to-field, including what sets it apart from TNR and why the updated Return-to-Field Handbook moves away from yes-or-no rules toward decisions about each individual cat. They close with the veterinary shortage and a reminder for tense times: whatever someone's politics, you can almost always find common ground by talking about cats.[/one_second]
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Why the laws that matter most for cats are made locally
What to say to elected officials before the first complaint reaches them
How cats end up included in wildlife feeding bans
What a community feeding plan looks like in place of a ban
What to do when new, un-ear-tipped cats show up in your yard
How return-to-field differs from TNR, and who makes the decision
Why the veterinary shortage and feeding bans are both access-to-care issues
Stacy's holiday card idea for getting on your representatives' radar
Resources & Links
HumanePro
Fighting Community Cat Feeding Bans
Return-to-Field Handbook
Humane Policy Toolkit
Email Danielle Bays

"In truth, we prove statistically how little funding is needed to create a real impact."
This episode is sponsored-in-part by Maddie's Fund, TNR Training Workshop Presented by Neighborhood Cats, and Jessica Dolce, Compassion Fatigue + Grief Educator.
Daniel Leung got into TNR the way many of us do. He worked on a farm in college, ignored his manager's warning never to feed the stray cats, and soon had dozens of them. A local TNR group came in to help, Daniel started volunteering with them, and he kept doing the work, first in Maryland and later with a large colony at a New Jersey hotel while he was traveling as a respiratory therapist during COVID. Then a trip to Penang, Malaysia, changed everything. On an island that may be home to 70,000 to 100,000 stray cats, he saw cats at every market stall and on every street.
After several years volunteering with local groups, Daniel felt the system was stuck, so he started something new. Cats of Penang began as a small grassroots effort and has grown into Catsoterra, which is built around the problems local caretakers kept running into: no government support, high costs and prices nobody would disclose. Daniel negotiated fixed rates with partner clinics and pre-funded the surgeries. He also built an online dashboard where volunteers book appointments, track outcomes and map where the cats come from. Volunteers pay an annual membership of 60 ringgit and can bring in as many cats as they need all year. So far, nearly 900 cats have been sterilized for about US$14,000.
Stacy and Daniel talk about what scale really requires. That includes the veterinary shortage in Malaysia, the cultural habit of letting owned cats roam, and why a 10-year plan matters when you're trying to move a whole island's numbers. They also get into apathy, business partnerships and Stacy's vision of a "cat church" in every town where neighbors help one another care for community cats. Daniel's message to the field is to get out of the old models and let the data make the case.
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How a college job on a farm led Daniel to TNR
Why returning cats is a service to the neighbors who care about them
How Catsoterra brought costs down by negotiating fixed clinic rates and pre-funding surgeries
The booking dashboard and geo-mapping that turn TNR into data governments can use
An annual membership model where every ringgit goes straight to the clinic
Malaysia's veterinary shortage and why TNR at scale is "a numbers game"
Owned cats, indoor/outdoor culture and the vacuum effect
Stacy's "cat church" idea: neighbors pooling resources for community cats
Working with businesses, from a cat food sponsor to Stacy's early days with the Chamber of Commerce
Resources & Links
Catsoterra
Cats of Penang on Instagram
Windsor Animal Hospital Penang (Catsoterra's clinic partner)