The Community Cats Podcast

"In truth, we prove statistically how little funding is needed to create a real impact."
This episode is sponsored-in-part by Maddie's Fund, TNR Training Workshop Presented by Neighborhood Cats, and Jessica Dolce, Compassion Fatigue + Grief Educator.
Daniel Leung got into TNR the way many of us do. He worked on a farm in college, ignored his manager's warning never to feed the stray cats, and soon had dozens of them. A local TNR group came in to help, Daniel started volunteering with them, and he kept doing the work, first in Maryland and later with a large colony at a New Jersey hotel while he was traveling as a respiratory therapist during COVID. Then a trip to Penang, Malaysia, changed everything. On an island that may be home to 70,000 to 100,000 stray cats, he saw cats at every market stall and on every street.
After several years volunteering with local groups, Daniel felt the system was stuck, so he started something new. Cats of Penang began as a small grassroots effort and has grown into Catsoterra, which is built around the problems local caretakers kept running into: no government support, high costs and prices nobody would disclose. Daniel negotiated fixed rates with partner clinics and pre-funded the surgeries. He also built an online dashboard where volunteers book appointments, track outcomes and map where the cats come from. Volunteers pay an annual membership of 60 ringgit and can bring in as many cats as they need all year. So far, nearly 900 cats have been sterilized for about US$14,000.
Stacy and Daniel talk about what scale really requires. That includes the veterinary shortage in Malaysia, the cultural habit of letting owned cats roam, and why a 10-year plan matters when you're trying to move a whole island's numbers. They also get into apathy, business partnerships and Stacy's vision of a "cat church" in every town where neighbors help one another care for community cats. Daniel's message to the field is to get out of the old models and let the data make the case.
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How a college job on a farm led Daniel to TNR
Why returning cats is a service to the neighbors who care about them
How Catsoterra brought costs down by negotiating fixed clinic rates and pre-funding surgeries
The booking dashboard and geo-mapping that turn TNR into data governments can use
An annual membership model where every ringgit goes straight to the clinic
Malaysia's veterinary shortage and why TNR at scale is "a numbers game"
Owned cats, indoor/outdoor culture and the vacuum effect
Stacy's "cat church" idea: neighbors pooling resources for community cats
Working with businesses, from a cat food sponsor to Stacy's early days with the Chamber of Commerce
Resources & Links
Catsoterra
Cats of Penang on Instagram
Windsor Animal Hospital Penang (Catsoterra's clinic partner)

"Cats aren't spicy. They're not mean. They're just scared."
This episode is sponsored-in-part by Maddie's Fund, OcuTrap, and Jessica Dolce, Compassion Fatigue + Grief Educator.
Berlin Waters grew up in a house full of cats, with a mom who handled TNR for the neighborhood, and she's been a cat lover ever since. That lifelong interest led her to a master's in shelter medicine, where her research focused on handling and socializing fearful and aggressive cats. The result is The Spicy Cat Project, a resource for shelters and caregivers who want a more humane, effective approach to cats with challenging behavior. Berlin is now a third-year vet student with her sights set on shelter medicine and access to care.
In this conversation with host Stacy LeBaron, Berlin explains why the cats she works with in shelters are usually owner-surrendered, not feral. They came from homes and they're simply terrified. Rather than leaving hissing cats alone to "decompress" for days or weeks, she argues for early, guided intervention that shows them things are going to be okay. She walks through her slow, step-by-step approach to a cat in a kennel, why she gave up on tools like the fake hand on a stick, and how she uses feral boxes, carriers, and thick folded towels to keep both herself and the cat safe.
Stacy and Berlin also dig into some bigger questions in cat welfare. Berlin shares why she thinks we've become over-reliant on gabapentin, which she sees as a useful adjunct but not a substitute for real socialization. Both question the value of behavioral evaluations at intake, comparing them to judging a cat's personality during a vet visit. They also touch on the possible role of pain and stress in aggressive behavior. Berlin's message to adopters and shelters is a cultural shift: a cat that hisses and growls is a scared cat, with a sweet one hiding underneath.[/one_second]
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Why most "aggressive" shelter cats are scared house cats, not ferals
The case for early intervention instead of leaving fearful cats alone
Berlin's step-by-step method for approaching a cat in a kennel
Why she stopped using handling tools and relies on towels, carriers, and feral boxes
How fearful cats tend to do once they're in foster or adoptive homes
Where gabapentin helps, and where over-reliance can fail cats
Why behavioral evaluations at intake may not tell you much
How pain and stress may factor into challenging behavior
Resources & Links
Website: https://www.thespicycatproject.com/
Training Videos: https://www.thespicycatproject.com/training-videos
TNR Clinics: https://www.thespicycatproject.com/tnr
Shelters: https://www.thespicycatproject.com/shelters
Adoption Basics: https://www.thespicycatproject.com/adopters-fosters
Youtube Chanel: https://www.youtube.com/@TheSpicyCatProject

"When we say age is not a disease, we also mean it for the youngest."
This episode is sponsored-in-part by Maddie's Fund, OcuTrap, and Jessica Dolce, Compassion Fatigue + Grief Educator.
Jordyn Purpura started out smuggling orphaned raccoons into his childhood bedroom. Twelve years of neonatal fostering later, he's in his final year of veterinary school, chasing a gap he kept running into from both sides of the exam table: almost nothing in veterinary education begins before eight weeks of age.
As a foster parent, that gap sounded like a doctor saying there wasn't much anyone could do. As a shelter worker placing bottle babies, and sometimes being the one present for their euthanasia when no foster could be found, it looked like an entirely preventable loss.
For a long time there was a defensible reason not to push harder on kitten medicine: it doesn't matter what a veterinarian is willing to diagnose or prescribe if there's nobody to take that kitten home and feed it every two hours. Jordyn's argument is that this excuse has quietly expired. Foster networks have grown, nurseries have opened, funding has followed. What hasn't caught up is the reflex — too small for blood work, too small for imaging, too small for a medication that was never labeled for a body this size.
That reflex has a body count. Kittens remain the animals least likely to leave a shelter alive, not because their medicine is impossible but because almost no one was taught it. Jordyn is teaching it now, to veterinary technicians, to emergency teams, to his own cohort. And he'd like the rest of us to start asking for it out loud.[/one_second]
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Why veterinary education effectively starts at eight weeks, and what that costs kittens
The emotional weight shelter staff carry when there's no foster available
Bringing tube feeding and neonatal husbandry onto hospital nursing teams
What the UC Davis famciclovir research showed about recovery times
Congenital hypothyroidism as an overlooked cause of "failure to thrive"
Getting creative with diagnostics instead of calling a kitten too small for them
How fosters and rescues can push their veterinary partners toward more
Why generational openness matters more than age when shifting practice
Resources & Links
Vernau Laboratory at UC Davis
UC Davis Feline Pediatrics on Instagram
Jordyn Purpura on Instagram — The Vet Med Couple
UC Davis Fracture Program for Rescue Animals
Orphan Kitten Project at UC Davis
Orphan Kitten Club

"Today's inside cat is tomorrow's outside cat."
This episode is sponsored-in-part by Maddie's Fund, OcuTrap, and The Community Cat Clinic.
Eve Salimbene spent her career in the legal field before moving into animal welfare 26 years ago — and by her own admission, she was a dog person until she landed in Polk County, Florida. There she found a county with groups working on dogs and essentially nothing for cats: a high shelter kill rate, no low-cost spay/neuter anywhere in the county, and a year-round breeding season with none of the winter respite she'd known up north. She posted a question online asking what was being done. The response pulled her in, and in 2020 a brand-new group of volunteers TNR'd 133 cats. Six years later the count is roughly 6,700 — and the 133 looks like the tip of the iceberg.
The complication is that TNR isn't condoned in Polk County. The Board of County Commissioners and the sheriff who runs animal control don't believe it works, which puts Eve's team in a strange middle space: vocal enough that caregivers know they aren't alone, careful enough not to get shut down. Some of the people they've helped won't give testimonials for fear of retribution.
Eve and Stacy dig into where the cats actually come from, why Eve believes proactive municipal investment beats two more decades of trap and kill, and what a real pilot project would need to look like. Three smaller municipalities have now approached her about running one — and she's pushing for a five-year window with honest baseline numbers.
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Why running a law firm turns out to be decent preparation for animal advocacy
What it's like to lead a TNR organization in a county that officially opposes TNR
The 2020 cohort of colonies now reporting zero kittens, years later
Where Polk County's community cats actually originate — and why "transient population" is the honest answer
The tagline that reframes owned-cat spay/neuter as a community cat issue
Municipal spay/neuter funding on the move: New York City, DeKalb County, and a statewide Texas program
Eve's proposed funding mechanisms, including a one-cent sales tax and corporate donors in the Tampa–Orlando corridor
Stacy's pilot-project challenge: designate the worst zip code, hit the volume, and watch intake drop
Why three small municipalities may end up leading where the county won't
Resources & Links
Street Cat Project of Polk County
Coalition for Animal Rights and Education in Polk County (CARE) on Facebook
Contact Eve directly: contact@streetcatproject.org
Community Cat Program Management Certificate — University of the Pacific, Benerd College (next session begins September 14)
Sustainable Solutions Grant Program — United Spay Alliance
Making the Case for TNR Certification Workshop - presented by Neighborhood Cats

"It's okay to be small and grassroots."
This episode is sponsored-in-part by Maddie's Fund, OcuTrap, and The Community Cat Clinic.
Robyn Alcock and Jen Scott joined host Stacy LeBaron to talk about Feral Fixers TNR Club, the Jersey City nonprofit they co-founded in 2024 alongside Kathryn Parker after years of trapping independently. In just two years, the all-volunteer group — who all keep full-time jobs — has helped more than 375 cats through TNR, rescue, and medical care. Much of the conversation centered on the realities of running a small "operational board" nonprofit: the governance lessons that shaped their early structure, why they held off on setting formal growth metrics in year one, and how nearly half of the cats they trap turn out to be friendly, adoptable animals rather than TNR candidates — a shift driven largely by the lack of low-cost spay/neuter access in Jersey City.
Stacy, Robyn, and Jen also dug into practical solutions: MASH-style pop-up clinic models from groups like Animal Balance and Slomba Shelter Solutions as ways to bring high-volume spay/neuter directly into underserved neighborhoods, and the fundraising path that took Feral Fixers from small individual donors to their first Mission Meow grant and a matching grant from United Spay Alliance's Community Cats Grants program at their two-year mark. It's a useful blueprint for any small, grassroots group trying to prove — as Robyn puts it — that it's okay to be small.
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How a pandemic-era trapping experience and a childhood spent bottle-feeding strays led Robyn and Jen to co-found a Jersey City nonprofit
Practical governance lessons for small, "operational board" nonprofits — board size, conflicts of interest, and keeping personal and organizational finances separate
Why nearly half of Feral Fixers' TNR trapping efforts turn into friendly-cat rescues, and how that's reshaping their workload
The transportation and appointment-access barriers keeping Jersey City residents from affordable spay/neuter
MASH-style clinic models, including Animal Balance, as an option for bringing spay/neuter directly into underserved communities
How Feral Fixers built its funding base through small donors, a Mission Meow grant, and a United Spay Alliance matching grant
Stacy's framework for identifying and cultivating leadership-level donors as an organization grows
Why "altered at intake" numbers matter for understanding a community's real spay/neuter gap
Resources & Links
Feral Fixers TNR Club: https://feralfixersclub.org/
Feral Fixers TNR Club on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/feralfixersclub/
United Spay Alliance Community Cats Grants: https://www.unitedspayalliance.org/community-cats-grants/
Animal Balance: https://www.animalbalance.org/
Slomba Shelter Solutions: https://slombasheltersolutions.com/