The Engineering Leadership Podcast

• Building partnerships w/ complex stakeholders, aligning tech debt w/ business value & decisive vs. thoughtful decision-making #217

  ABOUT FUNMI OLUDAIYEFunmi is a Managing Director and the Head of the Digital Risk Office for Enterprise Partnerships at Goldman Sachs, where she is pioneering a first-of-its-kind global initiative to embed critical business, security, and engineering risk practices within the engineering organization. With nearly 15 years of experience as a software engineer, architect, and engineering manager, she has a proven track record of leading high-performing teams, delivering innovative technology solutions, and championing best practices in developer experience and productivity across large-scale engineering teams. Most recently, she was the Head of Engineering for Consumer Deposits at Marcus by Goldman Sachs, and prior to that, she led the product engineering teams that built and launched the firm's award-winning credit card partnerships with Apple and later, General Motors. Funmi is a passionate advocate for underrepresented groups in the technology industry and is committed to mentoring the next generation of engineering leaders. Her wealth of experience and dedication to driving positive change make her a sought-after speaker and advisor.ABOUT KETAN GUPTAKetan is a seasoned engineering leader with 13+ years in software development, cloud, architecture, product delivery, and organizational leadership. He excels at building high-performing engineering teams and driving strategic initiatives. As an active community builder, he contributes to the Engineering Leaders Community and champions software craftsmanship.ABOUT SASHA HALLSasha Hall is an Engineering Manager at Planitar Inc, makers of iGUIDE. A University of Waterloo graduate with over 5 years of leadership experience at Pegasus Aeronautics and Deep Trekker, Sasha brings valuable insights on decisive leadership, effective communication, and strategic vision in growing organizations. Their career path through underwater robotics at Deep Trekker, aerial drone systems at Pegasus Aeronautics, and spatial mapping technologies at Planitar showcases a passion for innovative hardware and sensing solutions. This diverse technical background, combined with consistent leadership dedication, has equipped Sasha with a unique perspective on navigating today's complex engineering challenges. Build AI Voice Agents with ElevenLabsElevenLabs is the leading Voice AI platform for developers with thousands of ultra-realistic, human-like voices across 32 languages.Developers use ElevenLabs to build life-like, conversational AI voice agents to handle customer support queries, appointment scheduling, and even offer personalized 1-1 tutoring.Get started for free at elevenlabs.io/elc SHOW NOTES:Funmi discusses why successful eng leaders build true partnerships between engineering & business stakeholders (1:58)Navigating the dynamics of engineering & cross-functional team partnerships (3:00)Creating alignment / building relationships through fostering trust & curiosity (4:42)How engaging w/ curiosity is key to building cross-functional relationships (7:21)Funmi’s framework to help identify gaps in understanding (8:56)Recognizing knowledge gaps and relying on subject matter experts (10:15)Tips for navigating partnerships with multiple stakeholders (13:14)What’s going on with ELC New York & the power of connecting with eng leaders (14:45)Ketan discusses cloud transformation and AI integration (17:08)Considering challenges w/ security, scalability, cost, flexibility & AI in cloud vs. hybrid migrations (18:04)Explaining the impact of technical debt on organizations (20:04)The STIR framework for managing tech debt during cloud migrations (21:17)Translating tech debt into business value w/ STIR (24:17)Separating continuous improvement / performance from tech debt (27:02)Understanding team strengths & bolstering team motivation (29:24)Ketan’s experience with ELC London (31:07)Have fun with decision-making (33:29)Sasha discusses optimizing team processes amid company growth & new hires (35:11)Effective decision-making - balancing being decisive & thoughtful (37:36)Examples of balancing quick decision-making w/ thoughtfulness (39:05)How to refactor repetitive tasks to improve efficiency (40:32)Balancing time, risk & impact in decision-making processes (42:06)The value of building a network & finding mentors outside your own company (45:03)Advice for jumping into ELC community events (47:41)This episode wouldn’t have been possible without the help of our incredible production team:Patrick Gallagher - Producer & Co-HostJerry Li - Co-HostNoah Olberding - Associate Producer, Audio & Video Editor https://www.linkedin.com/in/noah-olberding/Dan Overheim - Audio Engineer, Dan’s also an avid 3D printer - https://www.bnd3d.com/Ellie Coggins Angus - Copywriter, Check out her other work at https://elliecoggins.com/about/

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• Recalibrating leadership priorities, leveraging your time & empowering senior leaders w/ Vinod Marur #216

  ABOUT VINOD MARURVinod Marur is the SVP of Engineering at Databricks. He was previously at Rubrik where he served as SVP Engineering and established a mature engineering organization geared for rapid product development and innovation with a deep focus on product quality and organizational development. Prior to that Vinod spent nearly 15 years in leadership roles across some of Google’s most critical business units, including Search, Ads, and Payments as well as tapping into his passion for developer platforms to create and lead the Actions on Google platform, used by third parties to develop for Google Assistant and other Google products. Build AI Voice Agents with ElevenLabsElevenLabs is the leading Voice AI platform for developers with thousands of ultra-realistic, human-like voices across 32 languages.Developers use ElevenLabs to build life-like, conversational AI voice agents to handle customer support queries, appointment scheduling, and even offer personalized 1-1 tutoring.Get started for free at elevenlabs.io/elc SHOW NOTES:Vinod’s process for recalibrating his leadership focus / priorities (2:25)Why routine can be dangerous & the mental shift required to prioritize impact (4:17)Examples of pivoting & how Vinod’s leadership priorities adapted (7:57)Strategies for assessing core priorities when scaling (9:39)Identifying where the most leverage is for your time (11:05)Signals that it’s time to recalibrate your organization’s priorities (13:27)Solving for information asymmetry: designing communication and collaboration structures (16:20)Rewriting hiring playbooks & tailoring recruitment pitches in a shifting market (18:56)Hiring tactics that worked five years ago that don’t anymore (21:21)The impact of AI on hiring practices (22:55)Current factors impacting hiring engineering leaders (25:30)Vinod’s framework for identifying the right problems to solve when transitioning to a new role (27:14)“The best leaders often start small, and progress to tackle larger problems” (28:33)Strategies for accelerating the impact of senior cross-functional partners (29:40)Obsessing over a single organizational goal & identifying champions to carry initiatives forward (31:25)Vinod’s latest obsession: the implementation and evolution of operational reviews (33:48)Rapid fire questions (36:36)LINKS AND RESOURCESACQUIRED - Acquired tells the stories and strategies of great companies, hosted by Ben Gilbert and David Rosenthal. Acquired is a depth-first show. Episodes are 3-4 hours long, and are better described as "conversational audiobooks" than "podcasts." Episodes occasionally feature guests, such as the founders/CEOs of NVIDIA, Berkshire Hathaway, Starbucks, Meta, Spotify, Uber, Zoom, CAA, Sequoia Capital, and all five Benchmark partners.This episode wouldn’t have been possible without the help of our incredible production team:Patrick Gallagher - Producer & Co-HostJerry Li - Co-HostNoah Olberding - Associate Producer, Audio & Video Editor https://www.linkedin.com/in/noah-olberding/Dan Overheim - Audio Engineer, Dan’s also an avid 3D printer - https://www.bnd3d.com/Ellie Coggins Angus - Copywriter, Check out her other work at https://elliecoggins.com/about/

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• From early days to IPO: Scaling leadership, enterprise growth, product ownership, & outgrowing your failure modes w/ Jon Hyman #215

  ABOUT JON HYMANJon Hyman is the co-founder and chief technology officer of Braze, the customer engagement platform that delivers messaging experiences across push, email, in-app, and more. He leads the charge for building the platform’s technical systems and infrastructure as well as overseeing the company’s technical operations and engineering team.Prior to Braze, Jon served as lead engineer for the Core Technology group at Bridgewater Associates, the world’s largest hedge fund. There, he managed a team that maintained 80+ software assets and was responsible for the security and stability of critical trading systems. Jon met cofounder Bill Magnuson during his time at Bridgewater, and together they won the 2011 TechCrunch Disrupt Hackathon. Jon is a recipient of the SmartCEO Executive Management Award in the CIO/CTO Category for New York. Jon holds a B.A. from Harvard University in Computer Science.ABOUT BRAZEBraze is the leading customer engagement platform that empowers brands to Be Absolutely Engaging.™ Braze allows any marketer to collect and take action on any amount of data from any source, so they can creatively engage with customers in real time, across channels from one platform. From cross-channel messaging and journey orchestration to Al-powered experimentation and optimization, Braze enables companies to build and maintain absolutely engaging relationships with their customers that foster growth and loyalty. The company has been recognized as a 2024 U.S. News & World Report Best Companies to Work For, 2024 Best Small & Medium Workplaces in Europe by Great Place to Work®, 2024 Fortune Best Workplaces for Women™ by Great Place to Work® and was named a Leader by Gartner® in the 2024 Magic Quadrant™ for Multichannel Marketing Hubs and a Strong Performer in The Forrester Wave™: Email Marketing Service Providers, Q3 2024.  Braze is headquartered in New York with 15 offices across North America, Europe, and APAC. Learn more at braze.com.SHOW NOTES:What Jon learned from being the only person on call for his company’s first four years (2:56)Knowing when it’s time to get help managing your servers, ops, scaling, etc. (5:42)Establishing areas of product ownership & other scaling lessons from the early days (9:25)Frameworks for conversations on splitting of products across teams (12:00)The challenges, complexities & strategies behind assigning ownership in the early days (14:40)Founding Braze (18:01)Why Braze? The story & insights behind the original vision for Braze (20:08)Identifying Braze’s product market fit (22:34)Early-stage PMF challenges faced by Jon & his co-founders (25:40)Pivoting to focus on enterprise customers (27:48)“Let’s integrate the SDK right now” - founder-led sales ideas to validate your product (29:22)Behind the decision to hire a chief revenue officer for the first time (34:02)The evolution of enterprise & its impact on Braze’s product offering (36:42)Growing out of your early-stage failure modes (39:00)Why it’s important to make personnel decisions quickly (41:22)Setting & maintaining a vision pre IPO vs. post IPO (44:21)Jon’s next leadership evolution & growth areas he is focusing on (49:50)Rapid fire questions (52:53)LINKS AND RESOURCESWhen We Cease to Understand the World - Benjamín Labatut’s fictional examination of the lives of real-life scientists and thinkers whose discoveries resulted in moral consequences beyond their imagining. At a breakneck pace and with a wealth of disturbing detail, Labatut uses the imaginative resources of fiction to tell the stories of Fritz Haber, Alexander Grothendieck, Werner Heisenberg, and Erwin Schrödinger, the scientists and mathematicians who expanded our notions of the possible.This episode wouldn’t have been possible without the help of our incredible production team:Patrick Gallagher - Producer & Co-HostJerry Li - Co-HostNoah Olberding - Associate Producer, Audio & Video Editor https://www.linkedin.com/in/noah-olberding/Dan Overheim - Audio Engineer, Dan’s also an avid 3D printer - https://www.bnd3d.com/Ellie Coggins Angus - Copywriter, Check out her other work at https://elliecoggins.com/about/

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• Essential questions & leadership principles to navigate change, fear & uncertainty w/ Rukmini Reddy #214

  ABOUT RUKMINI REDDYRukmini Reddy is the Senior Vice President of Engineering, responsible for managing product and platform delivery, infrastructure, and data science. Reddy joins PagerDuty from Slack where she guided the vision, strategy, and execution of a comprehensive re-architecture, transforming the messaging software into an automation platform that empowered users to streamline their work.Additionally, Rukmini spent over a decade in senior executive roles at various enterprise companies, where she built a strong track record in driving engineering and product strategy during periods of hyper-growth and product transformation across SaaS, B2B, and B2C business models.Rukmini has a master of science degree in computer engineering from the University of Arkansas and earned a bachelor’s degree from Osmania University in computer science and engineering.SHOW NOTES:How the role of engineering leadership has evolved from 2021 to 2025 (2:35)The rising importance of financial acumen & enduring importance of resilience in engineering leadership (5:28)Key questions to ground and align your team with mission, vision, customer impact, and position to win the market (7:04)What it means to become the leader your business needs (9:31)“Hugging the elephant” and overcoming fear & uncertainty in 2021 vs. today (12:26)Five questions to help you lead your team through transitions and change (16:03)How to incorporate this framework to drive org change with empathy (18:10)How to address questions about job security and future roles within an organization (20:21)Strategies to guide your team through unspoken fears & unknowns (23:47)Rukmini’s advice to create high-trust, high-impact sources of support through fear, uncertainty, and doubt for the first time (25:19)Navigating org change from first principles (27:21)How to move from the “informed pessimism” dip to “curious optimism” as a team & org (30:00)Using evangelism & experimentation to tackle common adoption fears (34:07)Examples of enablement & skill development / delivery (37:32)The role of enforcement in the adoption transformation curve (39:07)Rapid fire questions (42:33)LINKS AND RESOURCESGood Strategy Bad Strategy: The Difference and Why It Matters -Richard P. Rumelt clarifies the muddled thinking underlying too many strategies and provides a clear way to create and implement a powerful action-oriented strategy for the real world.This episode wouldn’t have been possible without the help of our incredible production team:Patrick Gallagher - Producer & Co-HostJerry Li - Co-HostNoah Olberding - Associate Producer, Audio & Video Editor https://www.linkedin.com/in/noah-olberding/Dan Overheim - Audio Engineer, Dan’s also an avid 3D printer - https://www.bnd3d.com/Ellie Coggins Angus - Copywriter, Check out her other work at https://elliecoggins.com/about/

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• Building platforms, ecosystems & open-source communities: Lessons from Viam & MongoDB w/ Eliot Horowitz @ Viam #213

  ABOUT ELIOT HOROWITZEliot Horowitz is the Founder and CEO of Viam, an engineering platform unlocking AI, automation, and data for devices in the physical world. With a deep commitment to advancing technology, Eliot leads Viam in helping companies build solutions across robotics, food and beverage, climate, marine, industrial manufacturing, and more.A career software developer and technology leader, Eliot co-founded MongoDB in 2007, writing the core code base for the pioneering database and leading the engineering and product teams for 13 years as CTO. MongoDB, which went public in 2017, has since reached a market cap of over $20 billion. Before MongoDB, he co-founded the ecommerce company ShopWiki and served as CTO, and he began his career in software development in the R&D group of adtech firm DoubleClick.Eliot is passionate about using technology to address pressing societal issues, including working with WAVS to protect marine life in the North Atlantic and supporting Billion Oyster Project’s work to help restore New York Harbor’s ecosystem.SHOW NOTES:The origin story of founding Viam (2:56)How Viam can be a game-changing platform, accelerating robotics software & hardware 10x to 100x (4:33)The ideation journey behind Viam: Building a platform that simplifies the integration of hardware and software development (6:11)Solving challenges with seamless APIs, a modular system, the right abstraction layers, and a comprehensive platform (9:54)Key questions for identifying the right abstraction layers at Viam (11:32)Optimizing your platform for flexibility and ease of use (13:32)The evolution of product building, from first-hand experience to customer-driven (16:33)How Eliot’s MongoDB Experience shaped Viam’s user-centric approach, open-source strategy, business model & ecosystem approach (18:48)Cultivating developer communities & leveraging community insights at MongoDB & Viam (23:01)Frameworks for deciding on your business model & pricing (24:52)Eliot’s approach to building developer tools & products used by engineers (26:23)Aligning your eng team & stakeholders on the product vision (29:51)What it means to deeply understand engineers and how they interact with your product (31:10)Strategies for eng leaders to better connect with customers (34:38)Viam’s real-world applications & what’s next (36:31)Rapid fire questions (39:31)LINKS AND RESOURCESViam - At Viam, we believe in the power of technology to make our world smarter, happier, and more sustainable. We're building a revolutionary engineering platform for problem-solving in the physical world, so that innovators from all disciplines can address humanity's most complex challenges with practical solutions. Together with our partners, we're committed to making a lasting positive impact on industries, communities, and the planet.This episode wouldn’t have been possible without the help of our incredible production team:Patrick Gallagher - Producer & Co-HostJerry Li - Co-HostNoah Olberding - Associate Producer, Audio & Video Editor https://www.linkedin.com/in/noah-olberding/Dan Overheim - Audio Engineer, Dan’s also an avid 3D printer - https://www.bnd3d.com/Ellie Coggins Angus - Copywriter, Check out her other work at https://elliecoggins.com/about/

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