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    How Channel 4 is taking a 'platform mindset' to TV — with David Amodio and Jay Kassam

    10/07/2026 | 22 mins.
    This episode was produced in partnership with Channel 4.
    At Cannes this year, The Media Leader sat down with several members of Channel 4's commercial leadership team to discuss how the TV company is looking to drive new commercial growth now that Universal Ads is live in the UK and Channel 4 is integrated with a new slew of demand-side platforms.
    On an previous episode of the podcast, host Jack Benjamin spoke with commercial chief Rak Patel about the latest news, and in this episode, he sits down with members of his sales team to discuss their commercial strategy in greater depth.
    David Amodio is head of sales at Channel 4, and Jay Kassam is head of business operations and revenue innovation at Channel 4.
    The trio talked sales strategy, how the broadcaster is making progress with mid-market advertisers, and how they are applying learnings from their time with tech platforms to the TV market.
    Highlights:
    2:31: Channel 4's evolved leadership team
    5:24: Taking a 'platform mindset' to the TV market
    9:20: What an 'advertiser-first, agency-led' strategy entails as Channel 4 embraces the mid-market
    17:11: Channel 4's new CEO and hopes for H2 2026
    Related articles:
    Universal Ads is live in the UK. Now what? With Channel 4’s Rak Patel
    Universal Ads goes live in UK, providing TV with ‘easy button’
    Leading Questions with Rak Patel – Channel 4 Sales
    Meet the Media Owner: Channel 4 adopts a platform mindset
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    ‘It’s not like we knowingly have bad ads’: Meta on ad fraud, teen safety, and why AI will not replace agencies

    05/07/2026 | 35 mins.
    Meta is growing at a remarkable rate. Already one of the world’s biggest global advertising businesses, the tech giant’s revenue grew 33% year-on-year to $56.3bn in Q1 alone.
    But while its dominance over the ad industry has crystallised, so has scrutiny into its business practices – and advertisers’ role in funding online harms through its platforms.
    Separate court cases in the US this year found that Meta has designed harmfully addictive platforms, and that it has misled users about platform safety and facilitated child sexual exploitation.
    A report from Reuters last November found that Meta knowingly earned 10% of its global turnover in 2024 from fraud and scam ads. At the LEAD conference in London this year, a spokesperson for Meta disputed the figure, but acknowledged that revenue from fraud and scam ads “might” have accounted for 3-4% of turnover – still equivalent to between $5bn and $7bn.
    And now there are concerns over the privacy implications of its line of smart glasses, which the company has positioned as the future of consumer electronics. Wired reported in June that Meta had quietly added facial recognition code into the product, before removing it after the publication of the reporting.
    All this comes as Meta has increasingly launched tools aimed at automating creative and media decisioning for advertisers, calling into question the role of agencies in a future dominated by tech platforms, their data, and their AI tools.
    It’s a lot to unpack. At Cannes this year, The Media Leader put questions on all these topics and more to Meta’s EMEA vice president, Derya Matras.
    In the interview, Matras notably claimed that Meta has invested $30bn into addressing issues of ad fraud, scams and "other integrity issues". She said, "it's not like we knowingly have bad ads" and that Meta is "incentivised to take action on this" because it is "not good for us."
    But, since recording the interview, an investigation by the BBC found that Instagram has been running paid ads in India that promote child sexual abuse material on the messaging app Telegram.
    When one of the ads was reported to Meta by the BBC, Meta reportedly initially responded that the ad did not violate its community guidelines. Meta later told the BBC it had disabled several of the ads and suspended the accounts posting them.
    A spokesperson for Meta told The Media Leader: “Meta has a zero tolerance policy for soliciting or sharing CSAM, including in ads. We use advanced AI technology to proactively detect violating content and individuals, but we are in a constant battle with criminals who hide among our 3.5bn users and try to evade our detection. That is why our expert teams are constantly working to improve our defenses, develop new technology to root out predators, block links to violating websites, and share intelligence with other companies so they can take action too."
    A full transcript of the conversation is available on The Media Leader, edited for length and clarity.
    Highlights:
    3:27: Reaction to social media bans for under-16s, criticism of failure to address online harms and addictive design
    11:58: Advertisers want more transparency of where their ads show up on platforms
    13:29: Why is Meta knowingly earning billions from fraud and scam ads?
    17:15: Meta is automating creative and media decisioning. Should agencies be concerned?
    27:04: Are smart glasses still the future of commercial technology? What about privacy implications?
    30:21: Meta's growth depends on providing good user experience. Is it getting worse?
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    ‘Right diagnosis, wrong prescription’? Adland torn as Starmer announces under-16s social media ban
    ‘Are we monetising addiction?’ Ad industry faces reckoning following social media addiction lawsuit verdict
    Snap is betting on smart glasses. Should brands?
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    Universal Ads is live in the UK. Now what? With Channel 4's Rak Patel

    29/06/2026 | 30 mins.
    This episode was produced in partnership with Channel 4.
    For the second year in a row, the UK's commercial TV companies made a splash at the Cannes Lions Festival of Creativity.
    After unveiling Universal Ads — the broadcasters' marketplace for small- and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs) — last year, Sky, ITV, Channel 4 and Comcast officially launched the product on Tuesday.
    And on Monday, Channel 4 announced it had partnered with 5 demand-side platforms to make advertising with Channel 4 more accessible to advertisers.
    During the week, in partnership with Channel 4, host Jack Benjamin sat down with Channel 4's commercial chief, Rak Patel, as well as members of its commercial leadership team, Jay Kassam and David Amodio, in separate interviews.
    He asked Patel, Kassam and Amodio about the latest news, the state of the UK TV industry, and how Channel 4 is balancing the need to reduce enough friction to make TV easy to buy, while retaining enough friction to make it a trustworthy medium for advertisers.
    The Media Leader will be releasing the episodes in two parts, the first with Patel and the second with both Kassam and Amodio.
    "You can be easy to buy, but retain your superpower," Patel said. "Broadcast is an oasis... The tech giants are a data warehouse, we are a dream factory."
    Highlights:
    1:43: Changes at Channel 4 over the past year
    8:46: Taking a platform mindset to future-proof Channel 4
    12:38: 'Turn down the toxic' hasn't happened yet. What will move the dial?
    14:12: Universal Ads is live. What it means for broadcasters, what the UK has learned from the US, and how the product will evolve
    20:21: What is the go-to-market strategy for reaching SMEs?
    25:30: 'The wind of change'
    Related articles:
    Universal Ads goes live in UK, providing TV with ‘easy button’
    Leading Questions with Rak Patel – Channel 4 Sales
    Meet the Media Owner: Channel 4 adopts a platform mindset
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    How AI, China and media consolidation is keeping the global ad market 'buoyant' - with WPP Media's Kate Scott-Dawkins

    22/06/2026 | 32 mins.
    Last week, WPP Media released its mid-year global advertising forecast report. As Kate Scott-Dawkins, WPP Media’s global president of business intelligence and author of the report said, the growth picture for advertising is "quite buoyant", even in the midst of severe geopolitical and macroeconomic uncertainty.
    As the global advertising community descends upon sunny Cannes this week, including us at The Media Leader, deals will be cut, rose will be drunk, parties will be had. But ahead of the pomp and circumstance, The Media Leader wanted to take a close look at where the industry stands after a deeply unstable H1.
    Host Jack Benjamin caught up with Scott-Dawkins last week to unpack the strong growth picture despite that instability, and look ahead to the end of the year and beyond.
    The duo discussed the rise of China, the decline traditional ad sellsers, and why AI is driving substantial growth in the ad industry.
    Highlights:
    1:39: Unstable global business market, buoyant global ad market
    6:01: AI's 'Manifest Destiny' and 'Gold Rush' moment
    9:31: Is platform-driven media consolidation good for advertisers? How big is too big?
    12:58: Impact of social media ban and potential tech regulation
    16:13: What happens if the Strait of Hormuz remains closed?
    19:32: How AI is impacting the labour market, and what it means for consumer spending
    24:58: The rise of China and the bifurcation of marketing stacks
    Related articles:
    WPP Media upgrades growth forecast despite macro headwinds
    Strait of Hormuz disruption threatens $94bn of global ad investment over next 18 months
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    Why brands need less channel planning and more ecosystem design — with Arena Media's Hamid Habib

    15/06/2026 | 59 mins.
    Last week on the show, The Media Leader spoke with Thinkbox’s Elliott Millard about how brands can reconsider their cultural impact, and this week, we wanted to continue that conversation with an agency that bills itself as sitting right at the centre of culture.
    Hamid Habib is the managing director of Arena Media within Havas Village. Habib and Arena Media pride themselves on working on inventive campaigns that embed brands within culture and communities.
    Habib discusses what it means to work for a “cultural media agency”, how he has moved his clients away from channel planning and toward ecosystem design, and the overarching cultural changes he thinks every brand should be aware of.
    He and host Jack Benjamin also talk about why brands are underinvesting in gaming, and how AI is changing the role agencies play for their clients.
    Highlights:
    4:55: Arena Media's unique client proposition and why brands "grow when they move with culture".
    11:24: Less channel planning, more ecosystem design: Why the brand and performance dichotomy is not fit-for-purpose.
    18:00: Important cultural shifts this year: Bifurcation of media behaviours across generations, AI changing customer journeys
    26:32: Brands need a BANG: Breadth, authenticity, newness, granularity
    31:33: Zig when others zag: Why Reddit, gaming are underinvested channels
    45:06: Are agencies still relevant as automated planning, buying and creative becomes common?
    Related articles:
    How marketers should reconsider culture and short-term strategies — with Thinkbox’s Elliott Millard
    Is there still room for human creativity in the AI era?
    Charlie Hugill: Why the future of media is real, human and experiential
    PlayNet launches to connect gaming with online behaviour
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The Media Leader is the leading source of analysis, data, opinion and trends in commercial media and advertising.Hosted by senior reporter Jack Benjamin, we speak to senior industry leaders and rising stars about the key challenges media faces as part of our mission to stand up for courage, inclusion and excellence in media.Find out more at uk.themedialeader.com and subscribe to our daily newsletter.
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