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  • Why there is a 'human premium' in consumer research — with IPG Mediabrands' Michael Brown
    At the heart of every media plan is the need to understand what a consumer wants; wants from your brand, your product, how they want to be spoken to and through what touchpoints.Michael Brown is the UK and EMEA head of research and insight, and a senior managing partner, at IPG Mediabrands.He joined host Jack Benjamin to discuss how his craft of both qualitative and quantitive consumer research is adapting to meet changing needs of CMOs, and how he is integrating AI into his work practice.Brown believes wholeheartedly that the human element is at the core of consumer insights, and he explains why it’s important for media companies and brands to continue taking that into account.As part of the conversation, the pair also spoke about key insights trends, including the seeping of politics into social listening online, and what it means for brands who have demonstrated care (or lack thereof) to diversity, equity and inclusion efforts.In addition, Brown addressed how he and his team are handling any uncertainty over Omnicom’s forthcoming acquisition of IPG.Highlights:3:14: How demand for research and consumer insight is changing, and the crisis of "information overload" in the age of AI.11:34: Why true insight and storytelling require a "human premium".16:41: How do CMOs take on research?20:44: What's trending right now? Social listening, Reddit, and political controversy.28:24: Are brands shying away from responsible media investment and diversity, equity and inclusion?33:52: Reactions to Omnicom's acquisition of IPG.37:47: Is the social culture of adland changing?Related articles:The ad gap: Why marketers are falling behind consumers, and how to catch up Consumers seeking comfort online more likely to view advertising positivelyUS FTC approves Omnicom-IPG merger on condition it does not make ad decisions based on ‘political or ideological viewpoints’---Thanks to our production partners Trisonic for editing this episode.--> Discover how Trisonic can elevate your brand and expand your business by connecting with your ideal audienceVisit The Media Leader for the most authoritative news analysis and comment on what's happening in commercial media. LinkedIn: The Media LeaderYouTube: The Media Leader
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  • Platforms' teen safety efforts amount to 'broken promises' — with Andy Burrows and Harriet Kingaby
    This year, the Molly Rose Foundation, the charity founded in the memory of Molly Russell, in partnership with online safety researchers, has released a number of studies around the efficacy of social media platforms’ online safety efforts.In August, it found that, despite platforms’ promises to get better on tackling the issue of child safety, the likes of TikTok and Instagram are still bombarding young users with a quote unquote “tsunami of harmful content” via their recommendation algorithms.Weeks later, another report found that most of Meta's child safety tools, including and especially its Teen Accounts feature, are apparently ineffective.Andy Burrows is the CEO of the Molly Rose Foundation. Joined by the Conscious Advertising Network's Harriet Kingaby and host Jack Benjamin, he explained the severity of the harms facing children on social platforms, and why their efforts to ameliorate them have been, in his words, "performative".After the recording of this episode, the Foundation released a third piece of research that found half of girls aged 13-17 saw high-risk suicide, self-harm, depression or eating disorder content in the week shortly prior to the Online Safety Act taking effect this summer.Responding to the MRF's research on its Teen Accounts, a Meta spokesperson said the report "repeatedly misrepresents our efforts to empower parents and protect teens, misstating how our safety tools work and how millions of parents and teens are using them today."Teen Accounts lead the industry because they provide automatic safety protections and straightforward parental controls. The reality is teens who were placed into these protections saw less sensitive content, experienced less unwanted contact, and spent less time on Instagram at night. Parents also have robust tools at their fingertips, from limiting usage to monitoring interactions. We'll continue improving our tools, and we welcome constructive feedback — but this report is not that."Burrows and Kingaby also discussed why advertisers haven’t yet been moved to apply business pressure on platforms in response, and whether regulation is plausible.Said Burrows: "This is a commercial decision, and children are paying the price."Highlights:2:07: Toplines of the MRF's research and how advertisers have reacted13:51: Malice, ignorance, or incompetence?17:01: Is anyone tackling child safety responsibly? Issues of transparency and trust and safety investment23:16: AI chatbots and child safety31:33: Is regulation plausible right now?37:17: How should parents navigate the online world on behalf of their kids?Related articles:Molly Russell charity CEO: Social media’s user safety efforts have been ‘performative’Why planners are investing so heavily in Meta, despite attention metricsUS TikTok sale brings uncertainty for creators amid free speech chillMeta launches subscription option to allow UK users to avoid ads---Thanks to our production partners Trisonic for editing this episode.--> Discover how Trisonic can elevate your brand and expand your business by connecting with your ideal audienceVisit The Media Leader for the most authoritative news analysis and comment on what's happening in commercial media. LinkedIn: The Media LeaderYouTube: The Media Leader
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  • How to deliver on boardroom promises — with Boots, Havas, Kinesso and MiQ
    It's one thing to get your CFO's attention and a marketing budget approved. It's another to deploy that investment in a way that builds your brand and delivers on boardroom promises.In a break from our typical interview format, The Media Leader team wanted to bring you one further discussion held at last month's Future of Media Manchester event.To close the day, The Media Leader's content director James Longhurst hosted a panel on the challenges clients and agencies face throughout the year as they seek to meet and exceed boardroom expectations.How do you optimise for business KPIs? How do you balance short-term demands with long-term brand building when every pound spent is being scrutinised? How do you build the case for bigger media budgets during a business downturn?All these questions and more were tackled by: Neil Jones, head of performance media at Boots UK; Laura Kell, chief data and product officer at Havas Media Network UK; Stu Lunn, group managing director at Kinesso; and Rob Linton, managing director, regions at MiQ.The discussion will continue next month, when The Future of Media returns 4-5 November in London. Register here to attend.Highlights:2:16: The start of the budgeting year — how to make the CFO see marketing as an investment8:05: Why AI is being used to drive cost savings21:57: Balancing short-term KPIs and long-term needs34:45: How do you know you've kept your promises to the boardroom?Related articles:How brands can truly ensure their CEO, CFO and CMO work togetherHow to bridge the CEO-CMO gap? Marketers must take an ‘investor mindset’, McKinsey advisesAd industry positioned as key sector for driving economic growth---Visit The Media Leader for the most authoritative news analysis and comment on what's happening in commercial media. LinkedIn: The Media LeaderYouTube: The Media Leader
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  • Why aren't brands investing in high-attention media? With Peter Field, Heather Dansie and Mike Follett
    At The Media Leader's Future of Media Manchester event last week, effectiveness expert Peter Field and Newsworks insights director Heather Dansie presented new research that shows investing in high-attention media channels — TV, cinema, radio, news brands and magazine brands — is more profitable than investing in low-attention ones.And yet, over the past decade, adspend has flowed to social media and pure-play internet, and away from those channels.What accounts for this? And what would happen if marketers heeded effectiveness research that repeatedly indicates a severe over-investment in ineffective, short-termist digital media inventory?During the conference, Field and Dansie sat down with Lumen CEO and report co-author Mike Follett for a special live edition of the podcast with Jack Benjamin.The trio of industry-leading researchers unpacked the findings and criticised media planners for failing to responsibly invest their clients' money in media placements with long-term benefits."My suggestion to media planners is: do your fucking job," said Follett. "Don't take the easy thing. Actually think: where am I going to get the best result for my clients?"Highlights:1:12: Topline takeaways from the research5:38: Methodology and why smaller brands must embrace advertising beyond performance12:25: Why has ad investment shifted away from high-attention media? CFOs driving the agenda and lazy media planners19:05: Are all news brands equal?24:25: Why aren't evidence-based arguments sinking in?Related articles:High-attention media is more profitable, finds Peter Field, Lumen and NewsworksDigital adspend to grow by double digits in 2025 and 2026One-third of indie publishers could shut down by next year as AI search hits trafficAre advertisers ‘swimming in a sea of garbage’?---Thanks to our production partners Trisonic for editing this episode.--> Discover how Trisonic can elevate your brand and expand your business by connecting with your ideal audienceVisit The Media Leader for the most authoritative news analysis and comment on what's happening in commercial media. LinkedIn: The Media LeaderYouTube: The Media Leader
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  • Ask Nabs Anything: Handling redundancy, rejection and mental health — with Nabs' Annabel McCaffrey
    It has been a tough year for many working in media. Jobs appear to be shrinking amid AI transformations and cost-cutting drives necessitated by struggling or transitioning business models.WPP has cut its head count by 7,000 in the past year. Omnicom’s acquisition of IPG will lead to “cost synergies”, which also translates to potential redundancies, and similar consolidations are expected to come to the TV market. Meanwhile, publishers continue to get squeezed by Big Tech via the development of AI search, and Big Tech itself is also replacing many of its workers, especially at the entry level, with AI.We view our mission at The Media Leader in part as being as helpful as possible to the industry in which we serve. With that in mind, we wanted to open the conversation about redundancy and see if we could help impart advice on those affected or feeling precarious.Annabel McCaffrey leads the Advice Line team for NABS, the ad industry’s wellbeing charity. Last year, NABS received a record number of calls from those in distress, including a 39% year-on-year increase in calls for redundancy support.We asked our readers and listeners to send in their questions on the topic of redundancy and related topics, and host Jack Benjamin put those questions to McCaffrey.Highlights:1:49: Characterising the current state of adland5:21: Is AI replacing jobs, particularly at the entry level? Are jobs applications even being viewed by humans anymore?15:05: Advice for putting a CV together, networking22:53: How redundancy impacts people at different ages39:07: How can organisations do more to support staff and achieve buy-in for mental wellness efforts?Related articles:What to do if you’ve been made redundant: Tips from expertsWPP cut 7,000 jobs over past yearWhat I learnt from redundancy early in my careerDealing with redundancy---Thanks to our production partners Trisonic for editing this episode.--> Discover how Trisonic can elevate your brand and expand your business by connecting with your ideal audienceVisit The Media Leader for the most authoritative news analysis and comment on what's happening in commercial media. LinkedIn: The Media LeaderYouTube: The Media Leader
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The Media Leader is the leading source of analysis, data, opinion and trends in commercial media and advertising.Hosted by senior reporter Jack Benjamin, we speak to senior industry leaders and rising stars about the key challenges media faces as part of our mission to stand up for courage, inclusion and excellence in media.Find out more at uk.themedialeader.com and subscribe to our daily newsletter.
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