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Chris Yonker
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  • Family Business at a Crossroads: Navigating Relationships, Governance & Legacy with Ruschelle Khanna
    Secret Thoughts of CEOS Ep. 144 Family Business at a Crossroads: Navigating Relationships, Governance & with Ruschelle Khanna. In this episode, host Chris Yonker delves into the intricacies of family business management with guest expert Ruschelle Khanna. They discuss the importance of family governance, handling narcissistic family members, and breaking cycles of resentment. Ruschelle shares her journey from therapy to working with ultra-high-net-worth families and offers actionable advice for next-gen leaders in family businesses. Listeners are encouraged to seek support and set clear boundaries to foster healthier family dynamics and long-term business success.   ·       01:31 Guest Introduction: Rochelle's Journey ·       07:08 Chris Yoker's Background and Personal Story ·       08:09 Understanding Family Dynamics and Trauma ·       15:40 Navigating Family Business Challenges ·       23:49 Dealing with Narcissistic Family Members ·       28:42 Navigating Narcissistic Relationships ·       30:52 Setting Boundaries with Narcissists ·       32:32 The Importance of Family Governance ·       37:14 Educating the Next Generation ·       43:04 Addressing Family Resentments ·       49:53 Taking Action on Family Issues Quotes ·        ”I started to see this overlap between. Money and health and family patterns and how it's all, we can't separate it at all.” [05:58] ·        ” Do some work yourself, because you're the ripple that is gonna start impacting the rest of the family. And when you shift your whole family shifts.”[19:02] ·       “ Yeah, because it's both, right? There's what a lot of times it's like, look, I believe you. Your family's difficult. I am not discrediting that. But you also are bringing a bunch of stuff that is probably not helpful, and that's usually what I see.’ [52:09]  Websites: ·       fambizforum.com. ·       www.chrisyonker.com ·       ruschellekhanna.com ·       LinkedIn: @ruschellekhanna
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  • Stop Leading on Autopilot: Mastering Conscious Communication with Chuck Wisner
    Secret Thoughts of CEOS Ep. 143 Stop Leading on Autopilot: Mastering Conscious Communication.  With Chuck Wisner In this episode, Chris Yonker dives into the family business world and effective communication strategies, with this week’s guest, Chuck Wisner.  Chuck is a seasoned advisor and coach in communication and leadership. Together, they discuss Chuck’s book The Art of Conscious Conversations. The discussion explores themes such as the importance of examining hidden thoughts and stories that influence our communication patterns, the process of improving listening and communication skills, and strategies for facilitating effective conversations in high-stakes environments. Chuck shares insights on the value of awareness, vulnerability, and intention in transforming how we talk, listen, and interact, both in family settings and professional teams. ·       01:31 The Importance of Conscious Conversations ·       04:27 Understanding Conversational Patterns ·       09:44 The Power of Stories in Communication ·       14:29 Navigating Communication Challenges ·       17:45 Improving Listening and Understanding ·       20:36 The Practice of Managing Triggers ·       23:27 Building Better Conversations ·       25:19 The Power of Open-Handed Communication ·       28:02 Navigating Hostility in Teams and Families ·       28:58 Facilitation Techniques for Effective Dialogue ·       30:16 The Importance of Listening and Perspective Sharing ·       33:05 Leadership and the Power of Influence ·       41:09 Self-Awareness and Changing Behavioral Quotes ·        ” I think we never were taught the ABCs of conversations, it's like, your notion about the fish and water. I use a similar quote all the time. We're like humans in conversation, not aware of the water we're swimming in, you know, we're just in it, because it's so habitual [07:58] ·        ” It’s this ego thing of holding onto your position tightly, having the answer. Rather than saying, can I learn something, Can I be a little humble? [26:11] ·       “My basic theory is the bigger the gap between what I'm seeing out loud and what I'm thinking, the more stress we live in.’ [39:33]  Websites: ·       fambizforum.com. ·       www.chrisyonker.com ·       The Art of Conscious Conversations by Chuck Wisner ·       Chuckwisner.com ·       Facebook: Chuck Wisner ·       LinkedIn: Chuck Wisner  
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  • The Art of Transitions, Maintaining Harmony, and Heritage with Scott Anderson
    Secret Thoughts of CEOS Ep. 142 The Art of Transitions, Maintaining Harmony, and Heritage with Scott Anderson In this deeply revealing episode, Chris Yonker sits down with Scott Anderson, founder and CEO of Doubledare Executive Coaching and a licensed mental health therapist, to unpack the silent epidemic of burnout among entrepreneurs and executives. With personal experience as a serial entrepreneur and trauma-informed therapist, Scott shares the real definition of burnout, why high performers are most susceptible to it, and how to reverse it—quickly and permanently. They explore the psychology behind overworking, the nervous system’s role in stress addiction, and the cultural myths that keep us in cycles of burnout. Scott outlines a practical path to healing and freedom, including how to neutralize the stories that drive compulsive behavior, how to regulate stress in real-time, and what life looks like on the other side of burnout. 02:00 - What is burnout and how do we define it 04:20 - Scott’s personal story: serial entrepreneurship and collapse 06:40 - The official definition and symptoms of burnout 08:30 - When rest doesn’t help: signs it’s not “just stress” 10:15 - The dangerous story behind entrepreneurial drive 14:00 - How childhood trauma contributes to burnout patterns 18:30 - Somatic stress recovery vs. “figuring it out” in your head 22:00 - R&R technique for real-time stress release 26:30 - What life after burnout looks like 32:00 - How to neutralize your most toxic stories Quotes ·       “Working harder and worrying more works - until it doesn’t.” [09:10] ·       “The most dangerous part is that burnout actually predicts financial success. That’s what makes it so insidious.” [37:20] ·       “Life beyond burnout is not a compromise. It’s a profound upgrade.” [39:30] Websites: ·       fambizforum.com. ·       www.chrisyonker.com ·       doubledareyou.us ·       BurnoutBreakthrough.com – Learn more about Scott’s programs and book ·       FastFixCall.com – Schedule a free 15-minute triage call ·       Burnout Breakthrough – Available through Scott’s site Scott’s Bio: Scott Anderson is the founder and CEO of Doubledare Executive Coaching and Consulting, and is a licensed mental health therapist. He has been featured in both Forbes and Entrepreneur Magazines, and has helped hundreds of entrepreneurs and high-performance executives break through painful plateaus and achieve even higher levels of success and fulfillment at work and at home.
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  • Balancing Boardrooms and Bedrooms - When You and Your Spouse are in a Family Business Together
    Secret Thoughts of CEOS Ep. 141 Balancing Boardrooms and Bedrooms - When You and Your Spouse are in a Family Business Together With Gabriela Embon In this powerful and practical episode, Chris Yonker is joined by transformational coach and author Gabriela Embon to explore what it really takes to sustain a legendary marriage—especially when love and business intertwine. Gabriela shares insights from her journey from engineer to relationship strategist and introduces the Four Pillars of Legendary Marriage from her book Becoming a Power Couple. Together, they dive into boundaries, communication, conflict repair, intimacy, self-awareness, co-leadership, and how couples can integrate their personal and professional lives with more grace, connection, and fulfillment. Whether you and your partner work together or not, this episode is packed with real-life tools to deepen your bond while still pursuing ambitious goals. 02:14 – Why relationships fall apart when home gets the “leftovers” 07:00 – “Your spouse comes first” - navigating loyalty and family friction 13:00 – Creating new identities when becoming a spouse and parent 16:00 – When both partners are drained - how disconnection begins 18:30 – Presence over performance: love is not about taking 24:00 – Operational vs. connection rituals to run a marriage well 26:30 – The power of “communication on demand” and weekly planning 28:00 – Physical intimacy as a foundation for emotional intimacy 30:00 – Couples working together: blending romance with strategy 35:30 – How affairs and breakdowns begin: the warning signs 38:00 – The bedroom is the sanctuary: why sleeping apart is a red flag 41:00 – Resentment, indifference, and relationship repair 44:25 – About Gabriela’s book and where to learn more Quotes ·       “Your spouse comes first—even before your children, your parents, your business partners. Nothing should come between you.”[07:32] ·       “When one partner feels like they’re getting the leftovers, it’s often because they’ve abandoned the co-creation of the relationship.”[16:07] ·       “Love is beautiful—but it’s not a strategy. Commitment is. Rituals are. Showing up even when you don’t feel like it is.”[28:30] Websites: ·       fambizforum.com. ·       www.chrisyonker.com GabrielaEmbon.com Gabriela’s Book: Becoming a Power Couple Gabriela's LinkedIn Gabriela's Facebook Own Your Choices Own Your Life: The Four Pillars of a Power Couple with Gabriela Embon Own Your Creativity: Uncovering Truth in Conflict Gabriela Embon Forgive and Thrive: 179 | Essential Tools For Building A Lasting relationship with Gabriela Embon
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  • Succession without Sabotage: How to Pass the Baton and Protect Your Culture with Andy Busser
    Secret Thoughts of CEOS Ep. 140 Succession without Sabotage: How to Pass the Baton and Protect Your Culture with Andy Busser In this high-level conversation, Chris Yonker interviews Andy Busser, President and CEO of Pitcairn, a multi-family office with a deep legacy of serving ultra-wealthy families. Together, they unpack what it means to lead a family-owned enterprise, especially as a non-family CEO, and how modern governance, culture, and communication influence business longevity. Andy shares strategic insights and lived experience from both inside and outside the boardroom, including best practices for building fiduciary boards, designing family councils, developing rising generations, and aligning leadership around shared values. From employment policies to emotional landmines, this episode offers a rare look into the psychology, strategy, and heart of enduring family enterprises.   Timestamps 02:00 - Meet Andy Busser: from consulting and PE to Pitcairn’s CEO 07:15 - Working with wealthy families: early client relationships that changed everything 11:10 - Educating the next generation: where and how to start the conversation 15:45 - Aligning values, interests, and business literacy in rising generations 20:00 - Family employment policies and why billion-dollar firms still lack them 24:10 - Hiring non-family CEOs and building fiduciary boards 28:40 - How to handle founder resistance, power transitions, and board pushback 32:20 - Addressing accountability and culture as primary family values 36:00 - Philanthropy: how separate pools can create clarity and harmony 39:30 - The importance of conflict, clarity, and governance documentation 45:15 - Trends in family business: what’s changing, and what’s still missing 50:30 - Why family retreats matter—and how to design them well 55:00 - Decision-making frameworks, role clarity, and culture building 1:00:00 - Andy’s perspective on culture, hiring, and leadership assessments 1:04:15 - Where to learn more about Pitcairn and connect with Andy Quotes ·       "If you want to own the business for generations, P&L has to come last. It’s not unimportant, it’s a byproduct of vision, people, and strategy."[31:30] ·       "Problems age like milk, not wine. If you let them fester, they only get worse."[48:10] ·       "We’re very intentional about the culture we want. Then we hire people who are great carriers of that culture."[60:45] Websites: ·       fambizforum.com. ·       www.chrisyonker.com ·       Pitcairn.com  Andy Busser President & Chief Executive Officer Bio: As CEO, Andy is responsible for guiding the firm’s client-centric culture and overseeing all of Pitcairn’s operations. His vision for the company is to continually evolve the Pitcairn client experience by enhancing the firm’s integrated approach to sophisticated family office services for multi-generational families. Andy has a passion for solving complex problems. He also has a gift for establishing meaningful, lasting professional relationships. These traits were instrumental over the past decade as he spearheaded efforts to make Pitcairn’s client experience a standard of excellence for family office service. His enthusiasm and curiosity inspire the entire Pitcairn team toward an unwavering focus on integration, innovation, and lifelong learning. Though known for his commitment to objective analysis, Andy sees Pitcairn as a driver of growth for both wealth and family relationships. His key priorities for Pitcairn are delivering an outstanding client experience, investing in talent, and leveraging technology. Andy’s previous professional positions positioned him to acquire the knowledge, proficiency, and insight needed to steer a 100-year-old family office into its next century. Before becoming CEO in 2023, he served as Pitcairn’s President of Family Office, where he led the firm’s team of relationship managers, analysts, and client communications professionals. Prior to joining Pitcairn in 2015, Andy was a partner at Symphony Capital, a healthcare-focused investment manager of private equity and hedge funds, and a management consultant at The Wilkerson Group/Wilkerson Partners. A steadfast advocate for the importance of helping families become successful stewards of wealth, Andy is an in-demand public speaker and frequently presents at events hosted by industry organizations, such as Family Wealth Alliance, Family Office Exchange, and Family Business Magazine’s Transitions and Family Business Legacy conferences. He is also sought out for his industry perspective by the business media and has been quoted in Barron’s, Bloomberg, Crain Currency, NPR, Family Business Magazine, and elsewhere. He is also a regular contributor to Forbes where he writes a column about issues relevant to family office operations. Andy is a member of the Wigmore Association, a global collaboration of chief executive officers and chief investment officers from five leading family offices around the world. Additionally, he has served on multiple boards and is currently on the CEO Council of Family Wealth Alliance and is a trustee of the National Committee on American Foreign Policy. A graduate of Colgate University, where he majored in history, Andy is naturally creative and enjoys painting, especially landscapes. He is an avid reader and usually travels with a history or economics book in hand. Originally from Columbus, Ohio, Andy, his wife, and two sons now call suburban Philadelphia home. Whenever possible, Andy enjoys skiing in the Rockies or fishing the waters off Cape Cod.  
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