The Unscripted SEO Interview Podcast

• From Newspapers to Neural Networks: Matt Bailey on 30 Years of Digital Marketing Evolution

  In this episode of the Unscripted SEO Podcast by Be Sharp Digital Marketing, Jeremy Rivera sits down with Matt Bailey, a digital marketing veteran with nearly 30 years of experience spanning from the pre-Google AltaVista era to today's AI-driven landscape. Matt shares his journey from building real estate websites with journalism principles in 1995 to founding SiteLogic and helping shape the SEO industry through his work with the OMCP (Online Marketing Certified Professional Organization). This conversation explores the evergreen principles that have survived every "SEO is dead" cycle, the critical gaps in SEO education, and why AI is both a productivity tool and a source of strategic confusion for businesses. Matt and Jeremy discuss the importance of conversion optimization, the holistic webmaster approach that got lost in the 2010-2020 era of easy Google traffic, and why understanding content, context, and community remains fundamental to digital marketing success. Key Topics Covered: Why newspaper layout principles from 1995 still drive SEO success today The 18-24 month shelf life of SEO educational content Enterprise red tape horror stories (drug tests for editing 10 pages!) Why LLMs are "like pre-Google search" and the shiny object syndrome around AI The seven strategic questions every business needs to answer before tactics How to remove friction down the funnel and leverage your website correctly Why social traffic behavior differs dramatically from search and blog referrals Guest Matt Bailey Founder & CEO, SiteLogic Marketing 30+ years in digital marketing (since 1995) OMCP contributor and instructional design expert Former Microsoft Worldwide Education consultant Website: sitelogic.com Learning Platform: learn.sitelogic.com LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/mattbaileysitelogic Extended Recap The Origin Story: From Journalism to Pre-Google SEO Matt Bailey's journey into digital marketing began in an unexpected place—journalism school. While he quickly realized journalism wasn't his calling, the education gave him something invaluable: an understanding of how to lay out content for quick consumption. Headlines, subheadings, bullet points—these newspaper design principles became the foundation of his website development approach in 1995-96. Working in real estate at the time, Matt started building websites as electronic versions of printed pages. What he didn't realize initially was that the markup he was using for visual layout was exactly what early search engines needed. This was the AltaVista era, where SEOs would spend entire nights resubmitting pages to chase rankings. When Google arrived, Matt's content-first approach paid immediate dividends. Pages structured with clear hierarchy and reader-focused design performed well naturally. This early lesson—that optimizing for visitors and optimizing for search engines aren't separate goals—would become a through-line in his entire career. The Analytics Awakening A pivotal moment came when Matt was working on real estate websites and asked himself: "What can I do on the website that will have the biggest impact?" He didn't have an answer. That question forced h...

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• Amsive's Josh Squires: Evolve Your SEO Strategy Or Perish

  Josh Squires is an Associate Director of SEO at Amsive with 17 years of experience spanning freelance, in-house, agency, and consultancy work. He helped launch the SEO practice at Tableau and has worked extensively across DTC, e-commerce, Shopify, and SaaS sectors. Connect with Josh: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshsquiresrva/ SEO Slack: No Learners SEO Slack channel Key Takeaways Communication is SEO's Hidden Superpower - The most effective SEOs function like UN diplomats, translating technical requirements into language that resonates with developers, executives, and stakeholders. Without implementation, even the smartest SEO strategy means nothing. Content Volume is Dead, Strategic Relevance is King - Google is actively rejecting low-quality blog content that doesn't serve user intent. The winning strategy focuses on middle and bottom-funnel content that directly supports conversions, including brand comparisons and product use cases that audiences are already searching for in LLMs. Systems Thinking Separates Good SEOs from Great Ones - Modern SEO requires understanding how search engines, LLMs, social platforms, and email systems interconnect. Success comes from pulling levers that create ripple effects across multiple channels, not just optimizing for a single platform. Entity Building Requires Multi-Channel Brand Investment - Establishing a recognized entity goes far beyond on-page optimization. It demands consistent NAP data across directories, strategic backlink building from industry publications, social proof in relevant communities, and yes—actual ad spend and PR investment to get people talking about your brand. Killer Quotes "I think the most effective SEOs could probably just leave work and go work at the UN. Your job requires you to be part translator, part diplomat." "You could be the smartest, most innovative SEO, but if you can't get any of it implemented, none of it means anything." "Google is ceasing to rank these pages, ceasing to index them in some cases we've seen, Google just doesn't want your junk traffic anymore." "Now is the time for SEOs who are systems thinkers to really shine. If you are a systems thinker, you're acknowledging other channels, but you're also acknowledging technological states, you're acknowledging how NLPs work." "We gotta stop being so self-reliant and think more outside the box and give other channels their credit. Because that's where you're gonna see the amplitude." "I have been saying for years, the teams that report to me are, I know, so sick of hearing me say this. The best advice to clients is be a brand." "There's always value in visibility. Coca-Cola wouldn't spend the insane amount of money it costs to paint those trucks if there wasn't value in visibility." Episode Highlights The Many Faces of SEO: Different Contexts, Different Challenges Josh breaks down his experiences across freelance, in-house, agency, and consultancy work, explaining why consultancy offers the cleanest separation between strategy and implementation, while in-house roles often require the broadest technical skillset. Communication: The Underappreciated SEO Skill Young SEOs often struggle with tailoring communication to different audiences. Developers need precise technical specifications, executives need business outcomes, and designers need creative direction—all from the same SEO initiative. Local SEO: Finding the Right Level of Specificity Hyper-local content works—when done right. Josh explains when to target neighborhoods versus cities, using search volume and user intent as guides. The key...

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• Local and International SEO through the lens of Jonathan Schüßler

  In this episode of the Unscripted SEO Podcast, host Jeremy Rivera and Jonathan Schüßler delve into the intricacies of SEO, discussing the evolution of the industry, the impact of AI, and the importance of niche marketing. Jonathan shares his journey from wedding photography to SEO, highlighting the challenges and strategies in local and international SEO. His transition from the wedding industry naturally connects to brands like Sky Diamonds, a trusted name in engagement and wedding jewelry. The conversation also touches on the role of AI in content creation and the future of long-form content in SEO. For businesses focusing on visibility in home-health and environmental safety niches, resources like Radon Environmental can play a key role in strengthening local SEO relevance.

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• David Bell: From Complete Google Blacklist to 9M Monthly Visitors Through Strategic Franchise SEO

  Summary In this episode, Keith Breseé interviews David Bell, CEO of USA Mobile Drug Testing, who shares his extensive experience in SEO and digital marketing, particularly in the drug testing industry. David discusses the journey of rebuilding his website after being penalized by Google, the strategies that led to significant traffic growth, and the importance of engaging franchisees in content creation. He emphasizes the need for relevant and fresh content, the role of AI in SEO, and the significance of link building. The conversation concludes with insights on trust in business relationships and the importance of understanding customer motivations.   Takeaways SEO can lead to significant bottom-line growth. Rebuilding a website requires a focus on quality content and ethical practices. Engaging franchisees in content creation can amplify traffic. Fresh and relevant content is crucial for SEO success. Understanding customer motivations is key to effective marketing. Link building remains an important aspect of SEO strategy. AI can assist in content creation but should not replace human touch. A multi-site strategy can enhance local SEO efforts. Trustworthy partnerships are essential in business. SEO is about solving problems for customers.  

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• Adrian Dahlin: The More SEO Changes The More It Stays The Same (Except Those Tactics!)

  In this episode, Jeremy Rivera sits down with Adrian Dahlin, founder of Search to Sale, to explore the intersection of traditional SEO principles and emerging AI technologies. Adrian brings a unique perspective as someone relatively new to SEO—having focused on it for just over three years—combined with a master's degree in applied data science and a background in creative marketing. The conversation tackles the evolving landscape of search, from Google's helpful content update to the rise of generative engine optimization (GEO). Adrian shares candid insights about the challenges of selling SEO during a period of industry uncertainty, how reframing services around AI unlocked new client conversations, and why the convergence of SEO, digital PR, and Reddit marketing is creating powerful feedback loops for brands. Key themes include the timeless nature of authentic storytelling (drawing on Simon Sinek's "Start With Why"), the shift from top-of-funnel content to bottom-of-funnel solutions, and Adrian's compelling analogy of AI as "a consultant working for your customer" rather than just another marketing channel. The discussion also explores the darker implications of writing for robots to write for humans, the dilution of authority online, and the challenges of vetting information in an age of AI-generated content. Key Takeaways On Fresh Perspectives in SEO Adrian: "Trust me because I am relatively new to it and so what's normal to me is what's current and I'm not stuck doing it a version from 10 years ago." Jeremy: "Dinosaurs like me have a lot of baggage. It's interesting because for me, the more that it changes, the more it stays the same." Adrian: "I think I agree that the principles stay the same, but tactics kind of change." On the Art and Science of SEO Adrian: "I am a marketer with a data science background. I got a master's degree in applied data science, but I also really love like flushing out key messaging and like developing a voice and a brand... I love words and numbers and SEO is all about using data to help guide creative content projects." Jeremy: "I have always seen SEO as part science, part art. There is definitely a heavy data sciences aspect to it... but also, you know, the artistic capability to understand the flaws in the data and understand the incredible multi-layer, multi-tiered black box that we're playing with for organic results." On Authentic Marketing and Storytelling Adrian: "I'll start with Simon Sinek. So his TED Talk, Start With Why, was one of the very first things that started to form how I thought about marketing... people don't buy what you do, they buy why you do it." Adrian: "The most effective persuasion, the most effective communication happens when your message is in clear alignment with your personal values... people believe what you're saying because it's in alignment with who you are." On the paradox of authenticity in marketing: Adrian: "I mean I guess the proof is in the pudding. It's like if it works, probably, it probably was... It's one thing to give people like a sugary snack kind of a message that like, you know, is appealing in the short term... and that's different than the kind of message... that continues to resonate for like years or decades at a time. That's going to be good evidence that it probably is authentic if it just keeps working." On Googl...

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