The Unscripted SEO Interview Podcast

Will Wang of Black Belt Consulting joins Jeremy Rivera to discuss his journey from corporate IT analyst to accidentally building a seven-figure marketing agency. In this candid conversation, Will shares the expensive lessons he learned about hiring (including a $500,000 mistake), how he's leveraging AI for market research while keeping humans in the loop, and why he's betting big on YouTube and Instagram while going bearish on LinkedIn for 2025. This episode is packed with practical insights for agency owners, consultants, and entrepreneurs who are scaling their businesses and want to avoid the costly mistakes that come with rapid growth. Listen to the full episode: Unscripted SEO Podcast Guest Information Will Wang Company: Black Belt Consulting Instagram: @blackbeltconsultant LinkedIn: Will Wang Email: [email protected] About Will: Will grew up in Sydney, Australia, worked in corporate IT making $130-150K/year before taking the leap into entrepreneurship. After two years of struggles and making every mistake possible, he built a seven-figure marketing agency which he sold 12 months ago. He's also a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt (earned 4 years ago) and now runs Black Belt Consulting, helping businesses scale from $25K to $250K per month with strategic marketing consulting. Key Topics & Timestamps The Corporate Escape Growing up as an immigrant in Sydney, Australia The soul-crushing reality of corporate IT ($130-150K salary trap) The difficult decision: when to make the leap with a family to support Two years of stumbling through every possible business mistake The $500K Hiring Mistake Why he hired a general manager when the business wasn't ready The account manager who created an unnecessary layer between clients and strategy The remote copywriter problem: why proximity matters for creative roles Key lesson: "We weren't big enough for a GM. We just needed me to spend less time working in a few of the things on the business" Taking full ownership: "It was all my fault... their abilities were hampered by how I supported them" Building Lean, AI-Enabled Teams The shift to small core teams of highly competent people His new hiring framework: creativity vs. process-driven roles When to hire locally vs. when to leverage cost arbitrage with virtual teams Using online jobs.ph and Upwork strategically "Give people a goal, give people a vision, and then hire people who are competent and disciplined enough to do what they need to do" SOPs and Systems for Non-Operations People Using Loom videos to document processes instead of writing SOPs yourself Having your VA or operations person create the documentation by following your recordings Why being the "big picture creative" doesn't mean you can't systematize AI for Market Research (Not Delivery) How customer research went from weeks to minutes Using ChatGPT and Claude to build detailed customer avatars The critical rule: "Nothing that gets delivered to clients is actually AI done" AI for research, humans for delivery—that's the framework Building AI-enabled teams in 2025 Content Strategy & Platform Bets for 2025 Going all-in on YouTube: "YouTube is the big one for me. I'm investing a lot into that this year" The Instagram surpri...

Jeremy Rivera interviews Kyle Bailey, founder of Front Burner Marketing, about local SEO strategies specifically designed for home service businesses. Kyle brings a unique perspective as one of the few SEO professionals who has actually worked in the trades—framing, roofing, drywall, and kitchen/bathroom remodeling. Kyle Bailey Founder, Front Burner Marketing 15 years in home service digital marketing Former tradesman turned SEO specialist Author of upcoming book: What's Your Story? The Path to Connection with a Homeowner Connect with Kyle: LinkedIn: The Kyle Bailey Website: FrontBurnerMarketing.net Twitter/X: @FrontBurnerMarketing Key Topics Discussed The Unique Challenges of Home Service Marketing (02:00) The attention gap problem: business owners are firefighters and babysitters Why before-and-after photography is critical but difficult to execute Kyle's hands-on approach: driving to clients in Texas to handle photography personally The urgent need to adapt to AI-driven search changes Your Story as Your Superpower (04:00) Every home service business has a unique story that competitors lack How to identify and articulate your core values The difference between shotgun vs. rifle messaging (broad vs. focused) Employee, friend, and customer audits to discover hidden core values Why story-based differentiation creates genuine connection with ideal customers Key Resource: What's Your Story? - Front Burner Marketing The Franchise Limitation (06:30) Why only 3 out of 100 franchises can effectively compete in local SEO Corporate restrictions on messaging, location pages, and customization The Quiznos cautionary tale Due diligence steps before buying a pizza franchise or any franchise Free discovery calls available to assess franchise SEO viability Community Co-Marketing: Driving Past Free Money (10:00) The "barrel of $100 bills at every red light" concept Neighborhood signage opportunities: 30-second content goldmine Co-marketing with complementary trades (painters, siders, window companies) How to create video content on job sites with partners Transcribing videos into blog posts for multiple websites The professional advantage: extracting marketing value from daily activities Related Article: Matt Brooks of SEOteric on nexus-based link building Example Businesses: Permacast Walls (precast concrete walls) Newton Crouch (renovations) Community Cleanups and Local Link Building (21:00) Why community cleanups work on Reddit (when normal promotion fails) Keep America Beautiful: National nonprofit with county-level support Community Clean Links - organizing community cleanup initiatives SEO benefits: event directories, national aggregators, Google event SERP Brand mentions directly in search results Documentation strategy: branded team, photos, no pitching The AI Search Reality (24:00) Michael McDougald's quote: "Your least trained but most popula...

Lisa Corwood, founder of Fuelled Agency, joins Jeremy to discuss how she transformed creative marketing experiments at a UK car dealership into a full-service agency philosophy. From the viral "Where's Wally" campaign that sparked it all to navigating Search Everywhere Optimization in 2026, this conversation covers authentic community engagement, why no industry is truly "boring," and the looming question of AI-generated content quality. Guest Lisa Corwood Founder, Fuelled Agency LinkedIn Instagram YouTube Topics Covered (00:01) Introduction and Lisa's background (00:18) The origin story: From UK car dealership to agency (02:15) Creative community engagement vs. traditional advertising (04:13) Facebook Groups and providing genuine value (06:01) The "spray and pray" problem on Reddit and social platforms (07:05) Ad blindness and brand values alignment (08:51) Building content ecosystems that connect (10:59) Why "boring" industries have the most passionate audiences (13:14) Showing your team and humanizing your brand (15:06) The "20 leads" question: Testing your funnel (16:54) Co-marketing with complementary businesses (18:44) Search Everywhere Optimization: The multi-platform customer journey (21:20) The accelerating pace of change in digital marketing (23:24) AI content, "slop," and the trust problem (25:22) Gen Alpha's skepticism toward AI-generated content (27:57) What's next for Fuelled Agency in 2026 Key Quotes "If you're going to go in there, don't just walk in a room and shout what you're saying and go out. Treat it as if it's a group of people—not a place to just spray and pray." "No matter what business it is—if it's selling a product, if it's shiny, if it's Lamborghinis or diamond rings—behind all of that is a team that makes that happen. Tell everybody about it!" "If you got 20 leads right now into your business, where would they go and what would happen with them? If you don't have an answer to that, there's something you need to look at." "Customers will hop from one platform to the other to get what they are looking for. They won't just take a five-star review as gospel." "I'm not against AI—but use it in collaboration, in conjunction. You can't solely rely on it." Resources & Links Mentioned Lisa's Agency & Socials Fuelled Agency Fuelled Agency Services Creators Club Lisa on LinkedIn Lisa on Instagram Lisa on YouTube Industry Resources Search Everywhere Optimization Guide – Single Grain Search Everywhere Optimization – Backli...

Guest: Tianna Mamalick, SMB Marketing School Episode Overview Tianna Mamalick shares her 12-year journey in SEO and why she's passionate about working with small businesses. With honest insights on managing client expectations, pairing SEO with paid ads, and the current state of AI-generated content, this conversation reveals what's actually working for service-based businesses right now. Key Discussion Points Why Small Businesses? For small businesses, a 10K monthly revenue increase is life-changing. Tianna shares how clients email her about hiring their first employee or taking their first vacation—results that go far beyond vanity metrics. Managing Expectations Brutally honest approach: clients sign for three months minimum, must have budget they can afford to lose, and receive realistic assessments of whether their business model fits the proven formula. SEO + Ads Strategy When done strategically, pairing ads with SEO helps prime new location pages and service pages through engagement, even though ads don't directly impact SEO rankings. The AI Content Reality After extensive testing: AI-generated content isn't ranking. Tianna's agency went 100% back to human-written content, using AI only for outlines based on top-ranking articles. Content Strategy Shifts Focus on service pages over blog posts Every service needs its own detailed page Mine customer support logs and sales calls for real language Create collaboration posts featuring complementary businesses AI Search Adoption Despite the hype, less than 10% of traffic comes from ChatGPT for most small businesses. Prepare by enriching About pages and author bios, but don't panic about immediate massive shifts. Resources Mentioned Andy Crestodina & Content Chemistry SEOteric - Matt Brooks Get Me Links - Alejandro Marinas Gus Pelogia interview on SEO's universal superpower Michael McDougald, Right Thing Agency Precast Walls - service business example Best Quote "People want to work with people they like, know and trust. It's not just about the backlink. We're really looking at conversions—how can we get SEO to convert for you?" — Tianna Mamalick Connect with Tianna Website: smbmarketingschool.com Instagram: @smbmarketingschool Funnel Summit - January 28th Key Takeaways ✓ Service pages first: Make product and service pages comprehensive before worrying about blog content ✓ Human content wins: AI-generated articles aren't ranking—use AI for outlines, humans for writing ✓ Record everything: Mine sales calls, customer support logs, and front-line staff conversations for gold ✓ Every service gets a page: Stop using men...

In this episode of the Unscripted SEO Podcast by Be Sharp Digital Marketing, Jeremy Rivera sits down with Matt Bailey, a digital marketing veteran with nearly 30 years of experience spanning from the pre-Google AltaVista era to today's AI-driven landscape. Matt shares his journey from building real estate websites with journalism principles in 1995 to founding SiteLogic and helping shape the SEO industry through his work with the OMCP (Online Marketing Certified Professional Organization). This conversation explores the evergreen principles that have survived every "SEO is dead" cycle, the critical gaps in SEO education, and why AI is both a productivity tool and a source of strategic confusion for businesses. Matt and Jeremy discuss the importance of conversion optimization, the holistic webmaster approach that got lost in the 2010-2020 era of easy Google traffic, and why understanding content, context, and community remains fundamental to digital marketing success. Key Topics Covered: Why newspaper layout principles from 1995 still drive SEO success today The 18-24 month shelf life of SEO educational content Enterprise red tape horror stories (drug tests for editing 10 pages!) Why LLMs are "like pre-Google search" and the shiny object syndrome around AI The seven strategic questions every business needs to answer before tactics How to remove friction down the funnel and leverage your website correctly Why social traffic behavior differs dramatically from search and blog referrals Guest Matt Bailey Founder & CEO, SiteLogic Marketing 30+ years in digital marketing (since 1995) OMCP contributor and instructional design expert Former Microsoft Worldwide Education consultant Website: sitelogic.com Learning Platform: learn.sitelogic.com LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/mattbaileysitelogic Extended Recap The Origin Story: From Journalism to Pre-Google SEO Matt Bailey's journey into digital marketing began in an unexpected place—journalism school. While he quickly realized journalism wasn't his calling, the education gave him something invaluable: an understanding of how to lay out content for quick consumption. Headlines, subheadings, bullet points—these newspaper design principles became the foundation of his website development approach in 1995-96. Working in real estate at the time, Matt started building websites as electronic versions of printed pages. What he didn't realize initially was that the markup he was using for visual layout was exactly what early search engines needed. This was the AltaVista era, where SEOs would spend entire nights resubmitting pages to chase rankings. When Google arrived, Matt's content-first approach paid immediate dividends. Pages structured with clear hierarchy and reader-focused design performed well naturally. This early lesson—that optimizing for visitors and optimizing for search engines aren't separate goals—would become a through-line in his entire career. The Analytics Awakening A pivotal moment came when Matt was working on real estate websites and asked himself: "What can I do on the website that will have the biggest impact?" He didn't have an answer. That question forced h...