The Unscripted SEO Interview Podcast

• Claude Zdananow & Chris Becker on Navigating Multi-Channel Marketing in the Age of LLMs

  Navigating Multi-Channel Marketing in the Age of LLMs with Claude Zdanow and Chris Becker Episode Overview: The golden age of Google-only SEO is over. In this revealing conversation, Jeremy Rivera sits down with Claude Zdanow (CEO) and Chris Becker (President) of Onar—a publicly traded marketing technology and agency network—to explore how businesses must fundamentally reimagine their digital marketing strategies. From tracking brand visibility in LLM responses to measuring "share of wallet" in ChatGPT, this episode tackles the measurement crisis facing every CMO today. You'll discover why traffic is down but revenue is up for many brands, how to use AI agents to track your competitive position in AI search, and why meeting customers "knee to knee" in real life is more important than ever. If you're still optimizing for traffic and rankings, this episode will challenge everything you thought you knew about digital marketing success. Key Topics Covered: Why the 2010-2020 "golden age" of SEO is definitively over The shocking reality of zero-click search and what it means for your business How to measure your brand's "share of voice" in LLM responses A tactical 3-agent framework for tracking competitive positioning in AI search Why "get niche, get rich" is the survival strategy for mid-market brands The power of combining IRL ("knee to knee") marketing with digital tracking How to reframe your entire data measurement strategy for 2025 and beyond Guest Information: Claude Zdanow - CEO, Onar Nearly two decades of experience scaling marketing and advertising enterprises Led Onar through four strategic acquisitions Previously worked with global brands like 7-Eleven, Disney, and Microsoft Building a publicly traded marketing technology platform focused on middle-market brands Chris Becker - President, Onar Oversees all P&Ls across Onar's agency network Maintained a lower than 5% annual churn rate for five consecutive years Focuses on measurable value delivery and operational excellence Leading Onar's shift from traffic-based to behavior-based measurement About Onar:

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• The Intersection of Brand & SEO with Mordy Oberstein

  In this episode of the Unscripted SEO Podcast, Jeremy Rivera and Mordy Oberstein of Unify, a Brand marketing service, and head of Brand at Wix discuss the evolving landscape of SEO and the critical role of branding in achieving online success. They explore how recent algorithm changes by Google have made it increasingly difficult for non-branded sites to compete, emphasizing the need for SEOs to step outside their digital bubbles and engage with broader marketing strategies. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding brand identity, audience engagement, and the necessity of real-world interactions to enhance online presence. That includes leveraging community cleanups for links, as well as being a podcast guest and other more PR like work than just editing meta tags. Mordy shares practical steps for SEOs to align their strategies with brand messaging and positioning, ultimately advocating for a more integrated approach to SEO that prioritizes meaningful connections with audiences. Branding is becoming increasingly important in SEO. SEOs need to engage with broader marketing strategies. Real-world interactions enhance online presence. Understanding brand identity is crucial for effective SEO. Communication strategies should align with SEO efforts. The digital landscape is becoming more competitive. SEOs must step outside their digital bubbles. Content should resonate with audience needs and desires. Brand activities can build momentum for online success. SEO is a means to an end, not the end itself.   Want to talk more about SEO? Continue the conversation on Bluesky, X or check out old episodes of Unscripted SEO by SEO Arcade

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• Erica D'Arcangelo on Hybrid Teams, Human Content, and the Icarus Effect: Navigating Marketing in the Age of AI Overviews

  In this episode of Unscripted SEO, host Jeremy Rivera sits down with Erica D'Arcangelo, CEO of Love Content Development, to discuss the evolution of digital marketing agencies, the hybrid work model, and navigating the AI revolution in content creation. About Our Guest Erica D'Arcangelo is the CEO of Love Content Development, a full-service marketing agency with 14 years in business. She also owns Create One (video production company) and V12 Strategies (marketing technology company). Over her career, Erica has worked with approximately 800 companies and generated nearly $300 million across all marketing contracts. She's also an Amazon bestselling author of "A Story About Pizza," chronicling her grandfather's journey as an Italian immigrant opening a pizzeria in 1960. Key Topics Discussed From Employee to Entrepreneur Started in healthcare marketing in 2001, learning everything from HTML coding to early social media Launched her own agency in 2013 as a single mom seeking flexibility Evolved from freelancer to "real agency" in 2017-2018 with organizational structure, office space, and full team Scaling an Agency Creating organizational charts and hiring strategies Client retention and process development The transition from "doing marketing" to "running a business" The Hybrid Work Model Evolution from office-only to remote during COVID to current hybrid approach Managing employees across locations (UK and Tampa, Florida) Balancing flexibility with the needs of different roles and positions The Death and Rebirth of SEO Why "SEO is dead" has been declared repeatedly since 2001 (and why it's not) Bringing back the "Webmaster" mentality for interconnected digital marketing The shift from keyword-focused SEO to multi-channel audience acquisition Foundational SEO in a Multi...

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• Lorraine Ball - From Agency Builder to Marketing Strategist

  Guest: Lorraine Ball, Host of More Than a Few Words Podcast Experience: 19 years running a digital marketing agency, sold in 2021 Current Focus: Marketing consulting, teaching, and podcasting Key Topics Covered Building and Scaling an Agency Started in 2002 as traditional marketing company Evolved into digital agency with social media emergence Strategic decision to cap at 10 employees and raise prices instead of scaling Maintained 30% client maximum rule to avoid dependency risk Focused on home services (HVAC, plumbing, roofing) and restaurants Business Philosophy "Hire for attitude, train for skill" - Southwest Airlines model Phones answered on first ring by anyone, including CEO Personal touch as competitive advantage Long-term client relationships (10+ years typical) Strategic Insights Capacity management: Stay below capacity line, raise prices when at capacity Risk management: No single client over 30% of business Market positioning: Answer the questions your ideal clients have Content strategy: Focus on answers, not just keywords Episode 2: Lorrie Thomas Ross - Marketing in the AI Era Guest: Lorrie Thomas Ross, CEO of Web Marketing Therapy Title: "The Marketing Therapist" Experience: 19 years as Chief Enthusiasm Officer, former UC Santa Barbara & UC Berkeley instructor Key Frameworks Discussed The Five Factor Framework Credibility - Know, like, and trust through design, copy, and photography Usability - Seamless user experience across all touchpoints Visibility - Strategic presence across search and social media, ads, email, and PR Sellability - Clear differentiation and value proposition Scalability - Treating marketing as investment, not expense "MarkEDing" Philosophy...

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• SEO & Brand Journalism: A Conversation with Katie Wagner

  In this episode of the Unscripted SEO podcast, host Jeremy Rivera interviews Katie Wagner, President & CEO of KWSM Digital Marketing Agency. They dive deep into the evolution of SEO, the importance of brand journalism, and how businesses can adapt to the changing digital landscape including AI overviews and LLM-based search. Guest Information Katie Wagner President & CEO, KWSM Digital Marketing Former CNN Television Anchor (15 years in journalism) Founded KWSM in 2010 Expert in lead generation and brand journalism Connect with Katie: Website: kwsmdigital.com LinkedIn: Katie Wagner (red dress profile picture) Host Information Jeremy Rivera Founder, SEO Arcade Host, Unscripted SEO Podcast SEO Expert & Consultant Connect with Jeremy: About: Jeremy Rivera Bio Podcast: Unscripted SEO Key Topics Discussed 1. The Evolution of SEO From Google reverse engineering to brand journalism Impact of AI overviews and rich snippets The rise of LLM-based search (ChatGPT, Claude) How E-E-A-T and helpful content updates changed the game 2. Brand Journalism Strategy Creating deeper stories around the humans in a business Two-tier content approach: top-funnel educational vs. bottom-funnel conversion Quality over quantity in traffic and conversions Building credibility through authentic storytelling 3. Revenue-Focused Marketing Moving beyond vanity metrics to actual...

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