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159: Alex Smith on the battle to make business strategy better
This week we positioned our most powerful fan at the rear end of a corpulent bull in hopes of snaring the attention of legendary bullshit fighter, Alex Smith
A strategist who’s set himself the mountainous task of extracting all the nonsense from business strategy, Alex is very much a breath of a fresh air in a field that can, at its worst, smell a lot like somebody’s done a poo… on a dead crab… in the drains of an abandoned laundrette… and then set it on fire. He is the author of a bestselling book on strategy, titled, with Alex’s typical disregard for fluff, No Bullshit Strategy. In those pages – and through Alex’s wildly popular LinkedIn posts – he makes a compelling case for businesses to look more closely at the decisions they make and wheedle out the ‘anti-strategic’ ones that are causing 99% of all pickles. So, in true Alex fashion, we probably could have just said something like ‘he helps businesses get stuff right, more of the time’ instead of all that nonsense about the crab and the laundrette. Ah well.
This episode is dedicated to Alex’s wife who is the engine and foundation underneath everything.
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Timestamps:
(03:26) - First Jobs and Failures
(06:19) - Reflections on Being Fired
(08:53) - Finding the Right Fit
(10:46) - The Challenge of Entering Advertising
(12:24) - Polishing the Pig: Agency Work
(15:36) - The Importance of Unique Value
(19:08) - Theory vs. Practice in Strategy
(20:26) - Defining Business Strategy
(22:03) - Value Generation in Business
(24:16) - The Role of Communication
(28:04) - The Hierarchy of Business Strategy
(30:28) - The Role of Founders in Strategy
(32:10) - Navigating Corporate Structures
(36:15) - The Myth of the Legendary Founder
(40:05) - Mediocrity vs. Strategy
(42:58) - Learning from Established Brands
(45:11) - Applying Strategy to Personal Business
(47:30) - The Shift from Freelancer to Entrepreneur
Alex's Book Recommendations are:
Zero to One by Peter Thiel
Incerto Series by Nassim Taleb
Elon Musk by Walter Isaacson
Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson
The Matter with Things by Ian McGilchrist
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158: Paul Dervan on a marketing future that embraces mistakes and machines
This week we released AI from the punishment cupboard in which we’ve been keeping it in order to win the approval of author, marketing super-brain and AI believer Paul Dervan.
As the Head of Brand Marketing at Miro, Paul has been busy bolstering his reputation as one of the industry’s smartiest pant-wearers when it comes to marketing effectiveness. Miro is just the latest stop in a marketing career you could only possibly describe as both distinguished and glittering (glittinguished?) and has seen Paul tackle the marketing challenges on behalf of everyone from O2 to Telefonica to the National Lottery in Ireland (scooping, along the way, the title of Ireland’s Marketer of the Year in 2022.) He’s also the author of Run With The Foxes, a superb book about marketing, mistakes and making much better decisions.
This episode is very proudly dedicated to Peter Field. Peter has had a huge influence on Paul’s career both as a mentor and advisor.
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Timestamps:
03:45 - First Job and Proper Job
05:10 - Early Career in Marketing
07:34 - Career Path and Focus
09:30 - Paul's Sweet Spot in Marketing
11:00 - Writing the Book: Run with Foxes
13:27 - Learning from Mistakes
15:51 - Mistakes and AI in Marketing
18:08 - Decision-Making Process
20:40 - Classical vs. Modern Marketing
22:22 - AI's Impact on Marketing
25:06 - Practical Applications of AI
30:05 - Advanced Uses of AI
33:08 - Synthetic Research
34:28 - Skepticism vs. Cynicism
36:42 - Curiosity and Experimentation
39:27 - Admitting Mistakes
43:27 - Listener Questions: Embedding Chapter One
Paul's Book Recommendations are:
Ogilvy on Advertising – David Ogilvy
The Anatomy of Humbug – Paul Feldwick
Decoded: The Science Behind Why We Buy – Phil Barden
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157: Patrick Freyne is here to save us from a Productive life
This week we shredded our vision board and fed it to some ornamental carp, purely to win the approval of author, critic and quite possibly the world first demotivational speaker, Patrick Freyne.
Before becoming the enormously popular columnist and critic for the Irish Times, Patrick spent his 20s chasing the rock star dream. But while the life of big hair, hard drugs and tight trousers wasn’t to be, it did give Patrick the time and space required to be one of the creative world’s leading authors, thinkers and sense-talkers. His book ‘Ok, Let’s Do Your Stupid Idea’ is a glorious celebration of curiosity, experimentation and letting your heart lead the way. And now he’s on a mission to dismantle the cult of ‘Big P’ productivity and remind people that ‘maximising your potential’ is a poor substitute for living your life.
This episode is dedicated to Patrick’s wife Anna Carey, who has been his biggest influence. She also has an amazing funny romance fiction book coming out later this year called Our Song.
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Timestamps:
01:32 - The Concept of Demotivational Speaking
07:36 - Patrick's Early Jobs and Musical Aspirations
09:08 - The Influence of Music on Patrick's Life
12:04 - The Importance of Curiosity in Career Paths
15:18 - Exploring the Idea of 'Stupid Ideas'
17:14 - The Impact of Burnout and Productivity Culture
20:40 - Finding Peace in Accepting Average Productivity
22:37 - Cultural Expectations and Work-Life Balance
25:31 - The Role of Technology in Productivity Anxiety
30:17 - The Dangers of Measurable Metrics
32:03 - Writing Techniques and Approaches
36:30 - The Importance of Rhythm in Writing
39:01 - Listener Questions: Generational Perspectives on Productivity
42:57 - Antidotes to Hustle Culture and Finding Balance
45:27 - Final Thoughts on Productivity and Well-Being
Patrick's Book Recommendations are:
The Fourth Time We Drowned – Sally Hayden
Commonwealth – Anne Patchett
A Visit from Lagoon Squad – Jennifer Egan
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156: Tom Fishburne on why the best marketers are the ones who can laugh at themselves
This week we deliberately trapped ourselves in a cartoon like the dude from A-Ha in order to cross paths with marketing’s MirthMaster 3000, Tom Fishburne aka The Marketoonist.
Apart from your CEO accidentally getting trapped in his own futuristic private bathroom over the bank holiday weekend, the funniest stuff in marketing usually comes from Tom’s brain. The comic genius behind The Marketoonist, Tom has been skewering this highly skewerable business for years – giving a reassuring chuckle to millions of marketers along the way. As well as being a famous side-splitter he’s also an expert eye-opener, with his Marketoonist agency having persuaded mega brands like Google, Microsoft and even LinkedIn of the value of having (and giving) a laugh. And, in his bid to remove the ‘po’ from the face of marketing, he also shares his wit and wisdom as one of the industry’s most in-demand keynote speakers.
This episode is dedicated to David and Claire Hyatt from Wales, as without these two Tom’s cartooning may never have transitioned from hobby to work.
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Tom Fishburne's website here.
The Marketoonist website here.
Timestamps:
02:14 - Quick Fire Questions with Tom Fishburne
03:21 - Tom's Career Journey: From English Major to Cartoonist
07:00 - Early Influences and Inspirations
08:42 - Observations and Humour in Prague
10:09 - First Office Cartoons and Their Impact
13:49 - Humour in Marketing and Business
17:55 - Finding Material for Cartoons
19:06 - The Role of Humour in Serious Topics
23:21 - Can Any Brand Embrace Humour?
25:18 - Humour During the COVID-19 Pandemic
27:50 - Variety of Brands Tom Has Worked With
29:54 - Consistency of Human Nature in Humour
30:41 - Listener Questions: Balancing Satirical Humour
33:28 - Digital Transformation and Industry Jargon
35:07 - Listener Questions: AI and Humour
38:07 - Listener Questions: Humour Category at Cannes
39:38 - Listener Questions: AI vs. Human Comedians
42:26 - Four Pertinent Poses: Advice to Younger Self
43:23 - Four Pertinent Poses: Banish One Thing from the Industry
Tom's Book Recommendations are:
Orbiting the Giant Hairball – Gordon MacKenzie
School is Hell – Matt Groening
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155: The mightiness of mininess with Gus Co-Founders Spencer LaVallee and Graham Douglas
This week we shrank ourselves down to Dennis-Quaid-in-Inner-Space micro proportions to catch Spencer LaVallee and Graham Douglas, the co-founders of mega-successful micro creative agency Gus.
Spencer and Graham lead a creative crew leaner than a wildebeest that got banished from its herd last Tuesday for repeatedly messing around. But size means little when you have big ideas, and the agency regularly rubs shoulders with the behemoths of the ad and marketing world when it comes to gongs and glory. From Gus being named Ad Age Small Agency of the Year, to their campaigns winning top honours at the likes of Cannes, Forbes and the New York Film Festival, Spencer and Graham are a testament that brains can beat brawn in this industry. Especially when those brains are inside the heads of a couple of fellas who’ve had such an interesting journey through it.
This episode is dedicated to all the small but mighty creative agencies out there proving that size doesn't limit impact.
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Visit their website here.
Timestamps:
(01:54) - Quick Fire Questions with Spencer & Graham
(03:26) - Graham & Spencer’s Career Journey
(10:35) - Spencer's Inspiration from an Outdoor Ad
(12:08) - Working at Campfire and True Blood Campaign
(15:54) - Graham & Spencer's Partnership and Founding of Gus
(18:56) - Strategy and Creativity Silos in Agencies and Clients
(20:32) - The Importance of Singular Creative Statements
(22:33) - The Mural Test for Brand Platforms
(24:56) - Internal vs. External Brand Positioning
(26:36) - The Role of Simplicity in Branding
(28:05) - Optimism About AI in Creativity
(30:01) - The Threat of AI in Strategy and Research
(32:29) - Staying Small on Purpose
(36:18) - The Changing Shape of Agencies
(42:18) - The Gus Grid and Creative Strategy
(43:13) - Breaking Norms with Back Market Campaign
(44:48) - Four Pertinent Poses: Advice to Younger Self
(47:59) - Banish One Thing from the Industry: Lack of Mentorship
Spencer and Graham's Book Recommendations are:
Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow by Gabrielle Zevin
The Artists Way by Julia Cameron
Essentialism by Greg McKeown
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