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Change Signal

Michael Bungay Stanier
Change Signal
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  • Change Signal

    Let’s Netflix and Change: Jessica Neal

    08/04/2026 | 32 mins.
    Here are three provocative questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Jessica Neal: 


    Are you modeling the change you’re asking for? 


    What nostalgia is quietly slowing your organization down? 


    And are you chasing consensus when you should be making decisions?

    If you lead change in a large organization, you already know the challenge isn’t just strategy. It’s people, pace, and the gravitational pull of the status quo.

    In this conversation, Jessica Neal — former Chief Talent Officer at Netflix — shares what it actually takes to shift culture and move transformation forward inside a scaling company. One of her core insights is simple and uncomfortable: if leaders aren’t visibly living the change, it won’t happen.

    We also explore why experimentation beats grand transformation plans. At Netflix, change often looked less like a rollout and more like a tiny experiment: try something, see what happens, learn, adjust.

    And then there’s the tension between speed and process. As organizations grow, well-meaning leaders add rules to control risk, but those rules often slow the very people capable of making good decisions.

    If you’re responsible for transformation, culture, or change leadership, this conversation offers a practical lens on how organizations actually evolve — and why the hardest work often starts with leaders themselves.

    Change Signal. Where transformational change leaders seek and find modern change wisdom. Cut through the blather, the BS, and the noise to find the good stuff that works.

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  • Change Signal

    Stop Writing Boring Change Messaging: Donald Miller

    01/04/2026 | 36 mins.
    Here are three questions to sharpen your thinking from this Change Signal conversation with Donald Miller: 


    What story are your people living inside? 


    Are you the hero of the change — or the guide? 


    Can your strategy fit on a napkin?

    If you lead transformation inside a large organization, you already know this: change management fails less because of bad strategy and more because of bad framing. Donald argues that every human being sees themselves as the hero in a story — and if you want to shift behavior, energy, and buy-in, you must change the plot points of that story.

    We explore why leaders must resist the urge to play the hero and instead become the empathetic guide — the one who names the “hole,” listens deeply, and throws the rope. It’s a practical conversation about empathy, involvement, and why treating adults like children creates resistance that’s hard to undo.

    And then we get concrete. Donald shares his PEACE framework — Problem, Empathy, Answer, Change, End result — and makes the case that memorable soundbites, repeated relentlessly, often beat beautifully crafted strategy documents. If you care about change leadership, transformation, and making your message stick, this one’s for you.

    Change Signal. Where transformational change leaders seek and find modern change wisdom. Cut through the blather, the BS, and the noise to find the good stuff that works.

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    WHEN YOU’RE READY

    🎧 A new episode every week (and sometimes two!)

    The Change Signal newsletter. Short, practical, weekly

    ***

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  • Change Signal

    Where Should You Intervene? Dr. Leyla Acaroglu

    25/03/2026 | 27 mins.
    Here are three questions to sharpen your thinking from this Change Signal conversation with Dr. Leyla Acaroglu 


    What are you editing out of your understanding of the problem?


    Where are you treating a living system like a tidy plan? 


    And what intervention would actually shift the dynamics?

    Dr. Leyla Acaroglu is a sustainability strategist, systems thinker, and founder of Disrupt Design. Her work sits at the intersection of design, behaviour, and complex systems, helping leaders move beyond surface-level fixes to understand how change actually happens in messy, real-world environments.

    If you lead change in a large organization, you already know the official story: change is messy, political, and rarely linear. What Leyla brings is a practical way to work with that reality, instead of fighting it.

    We talk about why most change approaches fail when they treat complexity like a puzzle to solve rather than an ecosystem to understand. Leyla shares how systems mapping helps you see what’s really going on beneath the surface — values, power, worldview, and the invisible connections shaping behaviour.

    She walks through a simple “capture the chaos” method (pen, paper, no self-censorship) that surfaces leverage points for intervention. And we explore what it means to lead change as a dynamic response: iterating, adjusting, and staying in the flow as the system shifts.

    If you’re searching for smarter approaches to change management, transformation, and change leadership, this is a grounded, useful conversation.

    Change Signal. Cut through the blather, the BS, and the noise to find the good stuff that works in change. If you’re a transformational leader seeking modern change mastery, you’re in exactly the right place.

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    WHEN YOU’RE READY

    🎧 A new episode every week (and sometimes two!)

    The Change Signal newsletter. Short, practical, weekly

    ***

    CONNECT

    💼Connect on LinkedIn

    ***

    SAY THANKS

    💜Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

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  • Change Signal

    Does Caring Less Help You Lead Better? Michael Bungay Stanier

    18/03/2026 | 18 mins.
    Here are three provocative questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Michael Bungay Stanier:


     What if your success has nothing to do with the outcome? 


    What if you’ve already won before the project is finished? 


    And what if caring less is what makes you more effective?

    If you lead change inside a large organization, you already know this tension: you’re accountable for results, but you don’t control everything that shapes them. In this solo episode, Michael Bungay Stanier explores the paradox at the heart of change leadership — how to care deeply about the work while loosening your grip on the outcome.

    He introduces a practical spectrum for how leaders relate to outcomes, from disengaged to overly attached, and points to a more useful stance: being fully committed to how you show up, while accepting that results are shaped by forces beyond you. It’s not detachment; it’s discipline.

    Michael also offers three drivers for navigating this tension: staying ambitious for meaningful work, embracing your “cosmic irrelevance,” and returning, again and again, to the everyday practice of doing the work. If you’re leading transformation, this is about building the internal capacity to stay steady, focused, and human when the stakes are high.

    Change Signal. Cut through the blather, the BS, and the noise to find the good stuff that works in change. If you’re a transformational leader seeking modern change mastery, you’re in exactly the right place.

    ***

    WHEN YOU’RE READY

    🎧 A new episode every week (and sometimes two!)

    The Change Signal newsletter. Short, practical, weekly

    ***

    CONNECT

    💼Connect on LinkedIn

    ***

    SAY THANKS

    💜Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

    💚Leave a review on Spotify
  • Change Signal

    How to Find the Next Wise Move: David Lancefield

    13/03/2026 | 21 mins.
    Here are three big questions that David Lancefield asks in the quest for modern change mastery:


    Where are you stuck in one system?


    What linkage are you overlooking between systems?


    And what’s your next wise move?

    David Lancefield, strategist and leadership advisor, argues that all leaders are systems leaders — whether they admit it or not. Real change doesn’t live in a plan or a single silo; it emerges in the messy spaces where systems overlap.

    He explores five interconnected systems — inner, relational, organizational, technological, and societal — and shows how to navigate them without freezing, overreaching, or waiting for perfect clarity. You’ll learn how to see the patterns that hold your organization in place, and how small, intelligent actions can ripple outward.

    David also reframes what it means to act with agency: listening for what’s missing, seeing where you’re complicit through silence, and stepping forward even when control is impossible.

    If you lead transformation in complex environments, this episode offers a grounded, systemic way to see more, link more, and move smarter.

    Change Signal. Cut through the blather, the BS, and the noise to find the good stuff that works in change. If you’re a transformational leader seeking modern change mastery, you’re in exactly the right place.

    ***

    WHEN YOU’RE READY

    🎧 A new episode every week (and sometimes two!)

    The Change Signal newsletter. Short, practical, weekly

    ***

    CONNECT

    💼Connect on LinkedIn

    ***

    SAY THANKS

    💜Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

    💚Leave a review on Spotify

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About Change Signal

If you’re leading change in organizations, this will be your favourite podcast. Change is harder than ever. Transformation is more complex, unpredictable and overwhelming than it’s ever been. Change Signal cuts through the noise to find the good stuff that works. Michael Bungay Stanier, author of The Coaching Habit and organizational transformation student for thirty years, talks to the best thinkers, senior leaders, and experienced practitioners in the world of change, to find what works, what doesn’t, and what to try instead. With Change Signal as your guide, you’ll be more efficient and less overwhelmed, and your change projects will more likely succeed. Change Signal: Where we cut through the blather, the BS, and the noise to find the good stuff that works.  Sign up for weekly updates at TheChangeSignal.com
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