The Divorce and Beyond® Podcast with Susan Guthrie, Esq.

• The Truth About Starting Over at 52: What Women Really Face After Gray Divorce with Kelly James on Divorce & Beyond #397

  Susan Guthrie welcomes journalist and author Kelly James for a powerful, candid conversation about the financial realities and career reinvention that often accompany gray divorce. Kelly brings humor, vulnerability, and a generous heart as she reflects on starting over at 52, returning to the corporate world after decades as a freelancer, and navigating the emotional load of single parenting. Together, Susan and Kelly explore the truth behind the fears, the unfair expectations, the unexpected challenges, and the surprising strengths that emerge when life takes a turn you never planned for. What You’ll Discover in This Episode The financial reality of starting over in midlife is real and heavy, but not impossible Reinvention in your fifties isn’t about dramatic leaps, in fact, Kelly explains how losing a financial safety net pushed her back into corporate life after 20 years as a freelancer How the emotional load can be heavy, but but one courageous choice at a time can help you steer your own life More About Our Special Guest: Kelly K. James "escaped from the law" more than 25 years ago to become a fulltime freelance journalist. The former attorney is the author of books including The Book That (Almost) Got Me Fired: How I (Barely) Survived a Year in Corporate America; Writer for Hire: 101 Secrets to Freelance Success, and Six-Figure Freelancing: The Writer's Guide to Making More Money, Second Edition. She's now a full-time legal content manager and part-time freelancer who works, writes, plays 8-ball, and attempts to golf from her home outside Chicago, which she shares with two teens, a rescue pup, and an extra-chunky spoiled cat. Website and Book: The Book That (Almost) Got Me Fired: https://amzn.to/48kPmNA kellykjames.net Social Media: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellykjames ******************************* Make the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyondpod Meet Our Host Susan E. Guthrie®, Esq. is one of the nation’s leading family law and mediation experts, with more than 35 years of experience helping individuals and families navigate divorce and conflict with clarity and compassion. She is the Immediate Past Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution, a best-selling author, and a sought-after speaker, trainer, and practice-building consultant. Susan recently appeared as the featured expert on The Oprah Podcast, where she shared her insights on gray divorce and the changing landscape of relationships. Her expertise has also been featured in The Wall Street Journal, Forbes, The Washington Post, NewsNation, and NBC’s Chicago Today, among many others. As the creator and host of the award-winning Divorce & Beyond® Podcast, ranked in the top 1% of all podcasts worldwide with more than 3.4 million downloads, Susan brings together top experts and powerful personal stories to help listeners move through divorce and beyond with confidence, insight, and hope. Learn more about Susan and her work at susaneguthrie.com. Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!   ***************************************************************************** A Smarter, Simpler Way to Navigate Your Divorce Looking for a clearer and more affordable way to move through your divorce? Check out Hello Divorce. Their guided online platform combines easy-to-follow tools with real legal and coaching support to help you complete your divorce with less stress, less confusion, and far lower costs than a traditional courtroom battle. They have created a special page just for Divorce & Beyond listeners. Explore your options at hellodivorce.com/susan. ****************** Special Offer from Blue Mercury! Treat yourself to luxury skincare, makeup, and fragrance favorites from Blue Mercury, your destination for beauty and self-care. Divorce & Beyond listeners receive 15% off their first order when they use the special link in the show notes. Because you deserve to look and feel your best,  inside and out. You must use this link to receive the 15% off on your first Blue Mercury order: https://divorcebeyond.com/Blue-Mercury ***************************************************************************** Opportunities for Expert Guests and Fellow Podcasters Partner with Divorce & Beyond Whether you're a podcaster looking to expand your reach or an expert ready to share your insights, Divorce & Beyond offers the perfect platform to amplify your voice.  Find out more here: https://divorceandbeyondpod.com/guest-opportunities ***************************************************************************** DISCLAIMER:  THE COMMENTARY AND OPINIONS AVAILABLE ON THIS PODCAST ARE FOR INFORMATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY AND NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING LEGAL ADVICE.  YOU SHOULD CONTACT AN ATTORNEY IN YOUR STATE TO OBTAIN LEGAL ADVICE WITH RESPECT TO ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE OR PROBLEM.

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• Is Your Lawyer Helping Or Hurting Your Divorce? How To Hire, Fire, And Trust Your Attorney with Susan Guthrie on Divorce & Beyond #396

  Are you secretly wondering if you hired the wrong divorce lawyer, but feel too far in, too scared, or too overwhelmed to do anything about it? You are not the only one. Listeners write in every week saying things like, “I hired someone in a panic and now I feel stuck,” or “I feel dismissed, but I am afraid to change attorneys midstream.” In this solo episode, Susan uses more than thirty five years of experience as a leading divorce attorney and mediator to give you a clear framework for how to choose, evaluate, and, if necessary, replace your lawyer so you can move through your divorce with more confidence and less chaos. You will learn: Why so many people “panic hire” the wrong attorney in the early days of divorce How a good divorce coach can help you get grounded before you hire anyone The key questions to ask in an attorney consultation so you can spot a real fit Red flags that your current lawyer may not be serving your goals or values When the problem is the system, not your attorney How to have a reset conversation and, if needed, make a clean, professional change Susan has also created a free downloadable checklist with the questions and red flags she covers in the episode. DOWNLOAD HERE If you are confused about your attorney client relationship or worried you made the wrong choice, this episode will help you understand your options and take back your power in your own case. Make the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyondpod Meet Our Host Susan E. Guthrie®, Esq. is one of the nation’s leading family law and mediation experts, with more than 35 years of experience helping individuals and families navigate divorce and conflict with clarity and compassion. She is the Immediate Past Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution, a best-selling author, and a sought-after speaker, trainer, and practice-building consultant. Susan recently appeared as the featured expert on The Oprah Podcast, where she shared her insights on gray divorce and the changing landscape of relationships. Her expertise has also been featured in The Wall Street Journal, Forbes, The Washington Post, NewsNation, and NBC’s Chicago Today, among many others. As the creator and host of the award-winning Divorce & Beyond® Podcast, ranked in the top 1% of all podcasts worldwide with more than 3.4 million downloads, Susan brings together top experts and powerful personal stories to help listeners move through divorce and beyond with confidence, insight, and hope. Learn more about Susan and her work at susaneguthrie.com. Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!   ***************************************************************************** A Smarter, Simpler Way to Navigate Your Divorce Looking for a clearer and more affordable way to move through your divorce? Check out Hello Divorce. Their guided online platform combines easy-to-follow tools with real legal and coaching support to help you complete your divorce with less stress, less confusion, and far lower costs than a traditional courtroom battle. They have created a special page just for Divorce & Beyond listeners. Explore your options at hellodivorce.com/susan. ***************************************************************************** Opportunities for Expert Guests and Fellow Podcasters Partner with Divorce & Beyond Whether you're a podcaster looking to expand your reach or an expert ready to share your insights, Divorce & Beyond offers the perfect platform to amplify your voice.  Find out more here: https://divorceandbeyondpod.com/guest-opportunities ***************************************************************************** DISCLAIMER:  THE COMMENTARY AND OPINIONS AVAILABLE ON THIS PODCAST ARE FOR INFORMATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY AND NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING LEGAL ADVICE.  YOU SHOULD CONTACT AN ATTORNEY IN YOUR STATE TO OBTAIN LEGAL ADVICE WITH RESPECT TO ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE OR PROBLEM.  

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• All’s Fair… or Is It? Real-Life Top Divorce Attorneys Break Down Hulu’s All-Female Divorce Firm Drama on Divorce & Beyond #395

  We’re talking all about Hulu’s new hit All’s Fair and its glossy world of powerhouse, all-female divorce attorneys. The show is everywhere right now, but how much of it reflects what really happens in high-stakes family law? Susan Guthrie is joined by two of the most trusted experts in the field, Beth F. McCormack and Kimberly A. Cook, Esq., to break down what the series gets right, where it leans into pure Hollywood, and what it leaves out entirely about the real work of guiding families through divorce. If you’ve been wondering whether All’s Fair captures the truth or just the drama, this episode gives you the inside view. What You’ll Discover in This Episode Where All’s Fair nails the reality of female attorneys breaking away to build something better What the show gets wrong about divorce law and why those myths can mislead real clients How strategy and preparation matter far more than the aggressive “never settle” persona “Adding a zero” isn’t how settlements actually work Why representation in legal dramas matters and how this show misses key opportunities to get it right More About Our Special Guests:  Kimberly A. Cook, Esq. Kimberly A. Cook is a Partner with Schiller DuCanto & Fleck, LLP, one of the nation’s premier divorce and family law firms. Known for her ability to both fiercely advocate and thoughtfully problem-solve, Kimberly represents C-suite executives, professional athletes, entertainers, and other high-profile clients in complex family law matters. Before joining Schiller, Kimberly founded Dovetail Conflict Resolution, LLC, where she focused exclusively on divorce and family mediation, helping families identify creative solutions and reach lasting agreements. She also hosts the Grown Girl Divorce podcast, where she empowers listeners to navigate family transitions with clarity and confidence. Kimberly shares her knowledge as an adjunct law professor, mentor, and frequent speaker, and has been featured in Crain’s Chicago, Black Enterprise, Thrive Global, and Business Insider. She has been consistently recognized among the Best Lawyers in America and Super Lawyers for her excellence and leadership in the field. Contact Kimberly: growngirldivorce.com or https://sdflaw.com   Beth F. McCormack Beth F. McCormack is a highly respected family law attorney known for her skill in handling the most complex and sensitive divorce and parenting matters. Based in Chicago, Beth is equally at home in the courtroom, in mediation, and in collaborative law, always centering her practice on compassion and empathy. She has been consistently recognized as a Best Lawyer, Super Lawyer, and Leading Lawyer, including being named one of the Top 50 Women Super Lawyers. In addition to her thriving practice, Beth mentors the next generation of family law professionals and writes a monthly column for the Chicago Daily Law Bulletin. She is especially known for her advocacy on behalf of children and her ability to navigate high-profile, high-net-worth divorces with discretion and care. Contact Beth: beermannlaw.com   ===================== Take the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyondpod Meet Our Host Susan E. Guthrie®, Esq. is one of the nation’s leading family law and mediation experts, with more than 35 years of experience helping individuals and families navigate divorce and conflict with clarity and compassion. She is the Immediate Past Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution, a best-selling author, and a sought-after speaker, trainer, and practice-building consultant. Susan recently appeared as the featured expert on The Oprah Podcast, where she shared her insights on gray divorce and the changing landscape of relationships. Her expertise has also been featured in The Wall Street Journal, Forbes, The Washington Post, NewsNation, and NBC’s Chicago Today, among many others. As the creator and host of the award-winning Divorce & Beyond® Podcast, ranked in the top 1% of all podcasts worldwide with more than 3.4 million downloads, Susan brings together top experts and powerful personal stories to help listeners move through divorce and beyond with confidence, insight, and hope. Learn more about Susan and her work at susaneguthrie.com. Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!   ***************************************************************************** SPECIAL OFFER FROM BLUE MERCURY! Treat yourself to luxury skincare, makeup, and fragrance favorites from Blue Mercury, your destination for beauty and self-care. Divorce & Beyond listeners receive 15% off their first order when they use the special link in the show notes. Because you deserve to look and feel your best,  inside and out. You must use this link to receive the 15% off on your first Blue Mercury order: https://divorcebeyond.com/Blue-Mercury SPECIAL OFFER FROM YUMIYU! YUMIYU Jewelry is Susan’s favorite source for meaningful, handcrafted jewelry designed to empower women and celebrate individuality. Each piece is made with care, using high-quality materials like real gold and vermeil, and is water-resistant, non-tarnish, and hypoallergenic. During difficult times, like divorce, wearing a symbol of hope or protection—such as a hamsa or an evil eye—can be a comforting reminder to keep the faith and stay strong. As a special gift to my listeners, YUMIYU Jewelry is offering 20% off your purchase! Use the code "BEYOND" at checkout to claim your discount. Explore their stunning collection at yumiyujewelry.com and find your perfect piece today! Link: https://divorcebeyond.com/YUMIYU  Code: “BEYOND” for 20% off! ***************************************************************************** Opportunities for Expert Guests and Fellow Podcasters Partner with Divorce & Beyond Whether you're a podcaster looking to expand your reach or an expert ready to share your insights, Divorce & Beyond offers the perfect platform to amplify your voice.  Find out more here: https://divorceandbeyondpod.com/guest-opportunities ***************************************************************************** DISCLAIMER:  THE COMMENTARY AND OPINIONS AVAILABLE ON THIS PODCAST ARE FOR INFORMATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY AND NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING LEGAL ADVICE.  YOU SHOULD CONTACT AN ATTORNEY IN YOUR STATE TO OBTAIN LEGAL ADVICE WITH RESPECT TO ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE OR PROBLEM.

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• How to Raise Resilient Kids In Divorce When You Can’t Control What Happens in the Other House with Laila Aitken Ali on Divorce & Beyond #394

  Co-parenting with someone who parents in a totally different way can feel overwhelming, especially when you’re trying to protect your kids and you don’t have control over what happens in the other home. Susan Guthrie welcomes back Laila Aitken Ali, co-founder of Split FYI and creator of the Raising Resilient Kids Through Divorce Masterclass, to talk about what you can control and how to stay steady when things get tough. Laila explains why the goal isn’t trying to make your kids “happy” all the time but helping them build real resilience. And even if you are the only calm, grounded parent in the mix, that is more powerful than you think. As Laila puts it, your peace is your child’s safety plan. You’ll hear simple scripts, mindset shifts, and nervous-system-friendly ways to stay anchored so you can support your kids without getting pulled into chaos, stress, or power struggles. What You’ll Discover in This Episode You can’t control the other parent, but you can control the emotional world your kids experience in your home How practicing DEEP allows you to take a pause and avoid being pulled into chaos The best way to protect your kids is to protect your own nervous system Shadow work matters. Notice stories you tell yourself, question old beliefs, and lead from your empowered self More About Our Special Guest Laila Aitken Ali: Laila Aitken Ali, The Split Coach, is a Certified Divorce Coach®, Accredited Mediator, and Co-Founder of Split.fyi, a platform supporting people through divorce, co-parenting, and life transitions. After navigating her own divorce while pregnant, Laila committed to helping others move through separation with clarity, strategy, and confidence. She specializes in guiding parents to break old patterns and build healthier dynamics post-divorce. Laila also teaches co-parenting strategy at the Certified Divorce Coach (CDC) program, equipping new coaches with practical tools. Website and Links: SplitFYI.com Raising Resilient Kids Through Divorce Masterclass and other events: https://splitfyi.com/events/ - D&B Listeners, use code SPLIT10 for a special listener discount  TheSplitCoach.com Why You Need to Stop Calling Your Ex a Narcissist with Laila Aitken, Founder of Split.fyi on Divorce & Beyond Social Media: http://instagram.com/thesplitcoach http://instagram.com/splitfyi https://www.linkedin.com/in/lailaaitken/ ===================== Take the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyondpod Meet Our Host Susan E. Guthrie®, Esq. is one of the nation’s leading family law and mediation experts, with more than 35 years of experience helping individuals and families navigate divorce and conflict with clarity and compassion. She is the Immediate Past Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution, a best-selling author, and a sought-after speaker, trainer, and practice-building consultant. Susan recently appeared as the featured expert on The Oprah Podcast, where she shared her insights on gray divorce and the changing landscape of relationships. Her expertise has also been featured in The Wall Street Journal, Forbes, The Washington Post, NewsNation, and NBC’s Chicago Today, among many others. As the creator and host of the award-winning Divorce & Beyond® Podcast, ranked in the top 1% of all podcasts worldwide with more than 3.4 million downloads, Susan brings together top experts and powerful personal stories to help listeners move through divorce and beyond with confidence, insight, and hope. Learn more about Susan and her work at susaneguthrie.com. Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!   ***************************************************************************** SPECIAL OFFER FROM BLUE MERCURY! Treat yourself to luxury skincare, makeup, and fragrance favorites from Blue Mercury, your destination for beauty and self-care. Divorce & Beyond listeners receive 15% off their first order when they use the special link in the show notes. Because you deserve to look and feel your best,  inside and out. You must use this link to receive the 15% off on your first Blue Mercury order: https://divorcebeyond.com/Blue-Mercury ***************************************************************************** Opportunities for Expert Guests and Fellow Podcasters   Partner with Divorce & Beyond Whether you're a podcaster looking to expand your reach or an expert ready to share your insights, Divorce & Beyond offers the perfect platform to amplify your voice.  Find out more here: https://divorceandbeyondpod.com/guest-opportunities ***************************************************************************** DISCLAIMER:  THE COMMENTARY AND OPINIONS AVAILABLE ON THIS PODCAST ARE FOR INFORMATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY AND NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING LEGAL ADVICE.  YOU SHOULD CONTACT AN ATTORNEY IN YOUR STATE TO OBTAIN LEGAL ADVICE WITH RESPECT TO ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE OR PROBLEM.

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• Narcissistic Playbook Exposed: How Manipulation and Lies Drive Family Estrangement with Tracy Malone on Divorce & Beyond #393

  Susan Guthrie welcomes back Tracy Malone, a leading expert on narcissistic abuse and family estrangement, for a raw and eye-opening conversation about one of the most painful aftermaths of toxic relationships: being cut off from your own child (aka estrangement). When estrangement happens, it can feel like your world has been shattered overnight. Tracy, founder of NarcissistAbuseSupport.com and author of Estranged By Lies: How Narcissistic Partners Use Power & Control To Destroy Your Family, helps unpack how manipulation, gaslighting, and control tactics can fracture families and rewrite history in devastating ways.  Together, Susan and Tracy explore how these dynamics play out and, most importantly, what parents can take to begin healing. Tracy’s compassionate wisdom, drawn from both personal experience and years of coaching, offers validation, hope, and strategies to help listeners find peace and strength through the storm. What You’ll Discover in This Episode How estrangement differs from alienation and why it’s on the rise The narcissistic playbook and how lies and control can turn loved ones against you The importance of emotional regulation when you can’t control others’ choices How awareness shifts everything and helps you rebuild your boundaries Why it’s essential to release self-blame and focus on your own healing More About Our Special Guest, Tracy Malone:  Tracy A. Malone is a coach, author, and the founder of NarcissistAbuseSupport.com, a global resource helping victims in more than 145 countries reclaim their lives after emotional abuse. She’s also a surTHRIVER herself, and her wisdom comes not just from research and coaching, but from lived experience. Her latest book, Estranged By Lies: How Narcissistic Partners Use Power & Control To Destroy Your Family, exposes the gaslighting, smearing, and rewriting of history that can steal your adult child and devastate entire families. Website and Book: Estranged By Lies: How Narcissistic Partners Use Power & Control To Destroy Your Family https://a.co/d/fSmx1Hm https://narcissistabusesupport.com/ Social Media: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFtt3fhMMCBKGRMGyN2D2GQ https://www.instagram.com/tracyamalone/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/188681268196044/ ===================== Take the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyond MEET OUR CREATOR AND HOST: SUSAN GUTHRIE®, ESQ., the creator and host of The Divorce and Beyond® Podcast, has been nationally recognized as one of the top family law and divorce mediation attorneys in the country for more than 30 years.  Susan is the Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution and is a sought-after keynote speaker, business and practice consultant, coach and trainer. You can find out more about Susan and her services here: https://susaneguthrie.com Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!   ***************************************************************************** SPECIAL OFFER FROM BLUE MERCURY! Treat yourself to luxury skincare, makeup, and fragrance favorites from Blue Mercury, your destination for beauty and self-care. Divorce & Beyond listeners receive 15% off their first order when they use the special link in the show notes. Because you deserve to look and feel your best,  inside and out. You must use this link to receive the 15% off on your first Blue Mercury order: https://divorcebeyond.com/Blue-Mercury ***************************************************************************** SPONSORSHIP OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE! If you would like to sponsor the show and reach our large community of those going through and healing from divorce, please reach out to us at  [email protected] for pricing and details!!! ***************************************************************************** DISCLAIMER:  THE COMMENTARY AND OPINIONS AVAILABLE ON THIS PODCAST ARE FOR INFORMATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY AND NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING LEGAL ADVICE.  YOU SHOULD CONTACT AN ATTORNEY IN YOUR STATE TO OBTAIN LEGAL ADVICE WITH RESPECT TO ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE OR PROBLEM.

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