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Murshed Chowdhury is the founder of Tech Duels, a communication and training platform redefining how individuals and organizations develop critical thinking and decision-making skills through structured debate. Murshed believes debate is one of the most underused leadership development tools available today. Not because it teaches people how to win arguments, but because it teaches them how to truly think, listen intently, and openly engage with ideas they disagree with. In this conversation, he explains why structured debate builds communication skills faster than most traditional training programs, how competition can strengthen learning without turning every discussion into a fight, and why live interaction is becoming more valuable as AI makes information increasingly accessible. He also shares why the future belongs to people who can combine technology with strong human judgment. Whether you're leading a team, developing talent, or navigating disagreement, this conversation makes a compelling case for why communication remains a distinctly human advantage. Find episode 515 on The Leadership Podcast, on YouTube, channel @theleadershippodcast, or wherever you get your podcasts! Watch this Episode on YouTube | Murshed Chowdhury on Why Structured Debate Is a Leadership Superpower https://bit.ly/TLP-515 Key Moments [03:43] Why Murshed built Tech Duels after seeing brilliant engineers fail due to poor communication [06:51] Why structure and competition matter more than traditional training approaches [08:08] Why emotional intelligence and social IQ are the real competitive edge [09:56] How AI is reshaping the challenge [12:04] The downside of leaning too heavily on AI tools [14:33] How competitive format teaches people to listen, ask questions, and reach understanding instead of winning [17:26] The 'holy wars' problem: How to get tech leaders unstuck from their chosen platforms [20:42] The Veterans Technology Conference: Connecting military talent to tech careers [22:32] Reinvention at any age: The core skills that let people pivot careers [27:20] Helping people who process slowly [30:16] Murshad's take on AI uncertainty Memorable Quotes "Networking is not predicated on your personality. It's a set of skills. If you can learn it, you can be an expert." "Public speaking is the number one fear in the United States above death." "You judge a person by their question, not by their answers." — Voltaire "With AI and deepfakes coming, live events, interaction, understanding, emotional intelligence, social IQ—that's going to be really important moving forward." "Critical thinking skills are something you need in every facet of life, personally and professionally." "Half of our conflicts come down to one side not hearing what the other side was trying to say." "You have two ears and one mouth. Listen twice as much as you speak." "There's some really cool stuff on the other side. If you just listen to the other side, you'll be shocked at how much alignment there might be." "Core skill sets like discipline, ambition, eagerness, curiosity, and the willingness to learn—these let you reinvent yourself at any age." "The time thing is supposed to give you guardrails so you don't talk endlessly. But when you have structured thinking, even two or three minutes is plenty of time." "People are listening to you, they're speaking to you. If you can really own that, you can do amazing things." "We're all learning AI as we go. Stay curious, keep learning, and focus on what you can control right now." "It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it." - Joseph Joubert Explore the full archive at www.theleadershippodcast.com or wherever you get your podcasts! Resources Mentioned The Leadership Podcast | theleadershippodcast.com Sponsored by | www.darley.com Rafti Advisors. LLC | www.raftiadvisors.com Self-Reliant Leadership. LLC | selfreliantleadership.com Murshed Chowdhury Website | www.techduels.com Murshed Chowdhury LinkedIn | www.linkedin.com/in/murshedchowdhury

Karen Doll is a licensed psychologist, author of "Building Psychological Fitness: How High Performers Achieve with Ease," a partner at Psynet Group and chairs the Flourishing at Work initiative under Harvard's Flourishing Program. Most leaders know how to push through stress. Far fewer know how to recover from it. Karen argues that the difference matters more than most people realize. In this conversation, she explains why psychological fitness is not a personality trait but a trainable skill. She breaks down the difference between the stress that helps you grow and the stress that slowly wears you down, why resilience is more about recharging than enduring, and what leaders can do to support mental health at work without trying to become therapists. For leaders who feel constantly on, stretched thin, or responsible for the wellbeing of their teams, this episode offers a practical framework for building resilience that lasts. Find episode 514 on The Leadership Podcast, on YouTube, channel @theleadershippodcast, or wherever you get your podcasts! Watch this Episode on YouTube | https://youtu.be/S54CwTMZY0Q https://bit.ly/TLP-514 Key Moments [03:33] What separates psychologically fit leaders from those who struggle [05:37] Why mental strength is trainable and what that actually looks like [08:19] Top-down vs. bottom-up strategies for managing stress and the mental health continuum [13:22] Shared accountability: what leaders owe their teams on mental health [15:23] The victim mindset problem and what leaders can do about it [21:00] Why there's no magic test that predicts leadership success [24:48] The two biggest derailers Karen sees in executive assessment [28:12] The sweet spot between healthy ambition and burnout [31:45] Why clarity on your values is the shortcut nobody takes [33:23] Why the victim mindset is the silent career killer [35:54] When Karen's own psychological fitness was tested and what changed [39:34] Closing thoughts: the one thing every leader can do starting today Memorable Quotes "Resilience is about recharging. It isn't about powering through." "Between the stimulus and the response, there is a space. In that space lies our power to choose." "Defensiveness is the one thing I will not give feedback on. You tell someone they're defensive and they defend themselves. It's a dead end." "The goalpost keeps moving — and people are left feeling it's never enough. That is unnecessary distress." "Those that can spend the time recovering tend to struggle less." "Having social support and a multi-dimensional life — that's probably number one in terms of buffers against stress." "We do all have some agency in how we manage our mental health and how we move towards flourishing." "When something upsets us, sometimes that thinking pattern is not serving us and it's not necessarily factual." "If you move the body, it can settle the mind." "Leaders don't need to be their team's therapist." "Being a victim or having a victim mindset is not going to work out well for anybody — and that's never going to be good for mental health." "Self care is selfish — that was the core belief I had to break." "Small acts of kindness for people who are struggling — think of what a difference that can make. And that's accessible to all of us." "Just being a little more intentional — it doesn't cost anything. It doesn't need budget." "Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal. Nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude." — Thomas Jefferson Explore the full archive at www.theleadershippodcast.com or wherever you get your podcasts! These are the books mentioned in this episode Resources Mentioned The Leadership Podcast | theleadershippodcast.com Sponsored by | www.darley.com Rafti Advisors. LLC | www.raftiadvisors.com Self-Reliant Leadership. LLC | selfreliantleadership.com Karen Doll Website | https://psynetgroup.com/ LinkedIn | www.linkedin.com/learning/improving-your-mental-health-at-work Karen Doll LinkedIn | www.linkedin.com/in/karendecesaredoll

Nick Black is the founder and CEO of GoodUnited, a former Army officer, co-founder of Stop Soldier Suicide, a Presidential Leadership Scholar, and a UNC Distinguished Alumnus. Nick focuses on a cost most leaders refuse to calculate: isolation. What happens to your people when no one is checking on them? After deploying 27 months in combat with the 173rd Airborne, Nick watched one of his soldiers survive war and then lose his life weeks after returning home. That experience reshaped how he thinks about leadership, connection, and responsibility. In this conversation, Nick explains why isolation is the common thread behind many of the losses he has seen, both in combat units and inside organizations, and why the peer group surrounding people is not a culture perk but a lifeline. He also shares what it took to carry mission driven urgency from the battlefield into the nonprofit world and then into a scaling company. For leaders who want to protect their people and not just manage them, this episode offers a more honest standard for what leadership actually requires and what it costs when it is missing. Find episode 513 on The Leadership Podcast, on YouTube, channel @theleadershippodcast, or wherever you get your podcasts! Watch this Episode on YouTube | Nick Black on The Leadership Cost of Isolation https://bit.ly/TLP-513 Key Moments [05:43] How 9/11 changed everything for Nick [10:54] The moment that led to Stop Soldier Suicide [15:01] What every leader needs to know about mental health [16:34] The balance between reflection and dangerous isolation [19:27] Leading people vs. taking care of people [20:49] The biggest leadership lesson learned outside the military [22:43] Bringing military training discipline into business [24:04] Why onboarding is where most companies fail [26:15] What "taking the hard road" actually looks like on a resume [27:14] Why offensive linemen make better leaders [29:07] How a lifetime of service shapes who you become [32:35] Closing thoughts on leadership and mental health Memorable Quotes "When in doubt, lead the way. That has yet to steer me wrong." "Isolation is your enemy. Never allow yourself to sit in a room with your thoughts." "Give that friend a call — your strongest friend, your quietest friend. Let them know you're still in their corner." "I have no idea what to do, but I seemingly have a PhD in what not to do." "Mission first, people always — and the only way you get the mission is through your people." "Find ten people that can do the work of a hundred." "You don't need to go be an Army Ranger. Show me how you got out of your comfort zone, took something on, and didn't quit. It could be anything." "Go find your passion and then go serve it." "If you can't laugh at yourself, you're not being honest with yourself — and I don't think many people are going to follow you." "The secret is not to give up hope. It's very hard not to, because if you're really doing something worthwhile, I think you'll be pushed to the brink of hopelessness before you come through the other side." — George Lucas Explore the full archive at www.theleadershippodcast.com or wherever you get your podcasts! Resources Mentioned The Leadership Podcast | theleadershippodcast.com Sponsored by | www.darley.com Rafti Advisors. LLC | www.raftiadvisors.com Self-Reliant Leadership. LLC | selfreliantleadership.com Good United Website | goodunited.io Nick Black LinkedIn | www.linkedin.com/in/nick-black-7658ab37

Kevin Rice is the former co-founder and president of Hathaway, a digital consultancy acquired by Bounteous in 2021. He is now an angel investor at Theorem One Capital and host of the CEOs and ABCs podcast. Kevin focuses on a gap most leaders don't want to look at. The difference between who you are at work and who you are at home. At work, the metrics are clear. You perform, you grow, you win. At home, none of that works. The scoreboard is different, and most leaders realize that too late. He describes how years of operating in "CEO mode" made him effective in business but distant in the one place it mattered most. The same habits that drove results at work were quietly breaking connections at home. Kevin explains why the real currency at home is not revenue or growth, but connection, and why one hour of full presence beats a full day of being half there. He also shares what it looked like to lead a company while raising young kids on his own and the moment he could no longer ignore the gap. For leaders who are winning professionally but feel something slipping personally, this episode puts language to the cost and makes it clear what it takes to close that gap. Find episode 511 on The Leadership Podcast, on YouTube, channel @theleadershippodcast, or wherever you get your podcasts! Watch this Episode on YouTube | Kevin Rice on Winning at Work, Losing at Home https://bit.ly/TLP-512 Key Moments [03:39] Kevin describes his early leadership style as "a bull in a china shop" — all forward motion, little humanity. Parenting taught him that accountability and dignity are not opposites. [06:25] Jan introduces the Hippocratic framing: leaders should first do no harm. Kevin's version: have enough gas in the tank when you come home. For 13 years, his family got the scraps. [09:37] Kevin's crucible — single father, global pandemic, 100+ hires, pending acquisition — all at once. His coping mechanism was robot mode: high performance, zero feeling. When the deal closed, he felt nothing. [14:26] Kevin says one hour of full presence beats eight hours of distracted availability. Kids only live in the present moment — and they know when you're not there. [17:18] Kevin believes AI's real gift to leaders is buying back time. The question is what you do with that time once you have it. [22:54] Kevin's message to the next generation: don't wait for a breaking point. As Tony Robbins says, success without fulfillment is failure. Structure your life before the crisis forces you to. [28:59] Kevin did the inner work after the exit — therapy, journaling, parenting coaching. That's what reconnected him to joy, not the money. [32:34] The oxygen mask principle applies at home too. You can't lead your family from empty. Sleep, exercise, breath work, meditation — these aren't luxuries. They're the foundation. [34:49] And remember… "Family is not an important thing. It's everything." — Michael J. Fox Memorable Quotes "Career is your passion. Your kids are your purpose. Don't confuse the two." "One hour of full presence is worth more than eight hours of distracted availability." "Success without fulfillment is failure." "I was physically there, but mentally rehearsing the next meeting. I thought I'd cracked the code. I was just losing my kids." "The victory was hollow — and that's when I knew everything needed to change." "The currency at home is connection. It's not sales, revenue, or EBITDA." "You can't get those moments back. You can't pay that back in arrears." "80% of the time you spend with your kids is before they leave the house." "It's hard to be good at work if things aren't good at home — and vice versa." Explore the full archive at www.theleadershippodcast.com or wherever you get your podcasts! Resources Mentioned The Leadership Podcast | theleadershippodcast.com Sponsored by | www.darley.com Rafti Advisors. LLC | www.raftiadvisors.com Self-Reliant Leadership. LLC | selfreliantleadership.com Kevin Rice Website | www.ceosandabcs.com/ Kevin Rice YouTube | www.youtube.com/@CEOsandABCs Kevin Rice LinkedIn | www.linkedin.com/in/kmrice Instagram | www.instagram.com/kevinrice_ceosandabcs

What happens when you spend 10 years interviewing some of the world's top leaders? After 500 interviews with CEOs, generals, founders, bestselling authors, athletes, and elite performers, Jim Vaselopulos and Jan Rutherford discovered a surprising pattern. The most successful leaders were NOT the most polished, they were the most self-aware, adaptable, and relentlessly committed to growth. In this special milestone episode of The Leadership Podcast, Jim and Jan pull back the curtain on a decade of conversations with world-class leaders and reveal the biggest lessons, myths, failures, sacrifices, and leadership truths that emerged across 500 episodes. Topics discussed The leadership myth they are glad to have challenged Why great leaders rarely have a "perfect" career path The dangerous difference between style and substance The hidden sacrifices behind elite success Why adaptability matters more than efficiency Guests who completely changed their thinking How leadership has evolved in the age of AI Why "leaders are learners" became one of the defining themes of the show The one leadership question they still haven't fully answered after 500 episodes This is more than a reflection on podcasting, it's a masterclass built from 10 years of conversations with some of the world's most accomplished leaders. Whether you lead a company, a team, a family, or simply yourself, this episode will challenge how you think about growth, influence, success, and leadership. Watch this Episode on YouTube | Jim and Jan on What 500 Top Leaders Taught Us — And Why It's Not What You Think Find episode 511 on The Leadership Podcast, on YouTube, channel @theleadershippodcast, or wherever you get your podcasts! Key Moments [00:00] The brutal truth 500 leaders revealed [05:11] Did they ever think they'd reach 500 episodes? [10:10] Guests who left them speechless [13:58] Conversations that changed their minds [18:05] The biggest leadership myth they busted [23:10] When the podcast became more than interviews [32:32] How the podcast changed them as leaders [35:25] The 5 episodes every leader should hear [41:23] The leadership question they still can't answer Memorable Quotes "You can't hit the ball if you don't go to the plate." "The market will tell you what it values and it isn't always what it should." "Adaptability must accompany efficiency, or you will not survive." "Behind every great leader is a great support system." "Sell the problem, not the solution." "If you want to be great at something, you are going to have to make sacrifices. There is no hack. There is no shortcut." "You don't get any dumber talking to smart people." "Leadership is not a destination. It is a state you have to manage and it never ends." "Don't judge a book by its cover. Hold your assumptions lightly." "Self-reliant leaders, at the end of the day, make others better." "Be interested. Care about people. Be nice. You can have a huge influence on other people's lives and it really is that simple." Explore the full archive at www.theleadershippodcast.com or wherever you get your podcasts! Resources Mentioned The Leadership Podcast | theleadershippodcast.com Sponsored by | www.darley.com Rafti Advisors. LLC | www.raftiadvisors.com Self-Reliant Leadership. LLC | selfreliantleadership.com Jan Rutherford LinkedIn | www.linkedin.com/in/janrutherford Jan Rutherford X | @JanRutherford Jim Vaselopulos LinkedIn | www.linkedin.com/in/jimvaselopulos Jim Vaselopulos X | @jim_va