The Living Clean Podcast

In Part One, we break down the conference itself — the lost chapters of the Basic Text, the all-night group conscience meetings, the workshops, the editing battles, the spiritual moments, and the unbelievable amount of work done by recovering addicts trying to build a book that could carry the message worldwide. We explore not only what happened at WLC V in Warren, Ohio in 1981, but also the spirit of the process — the unity, passion, exhaustion, humor, and faith that held it all together.
In Part Two, we’re joined by members who were actually there. They share personal memories and firsthand insight into what it was like to live through the process of building the Basic Text and participating in one of the most historic literature conferences in NA history.
This episode is both a historical deep dive and a reminder that the literature we often take for granted today was built by addicts who believed the message was worth sacrificing for.
We also encourage everyone to check out the incredible work being done at:
Preserving the Message
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In this episode of Francis's Archive, Francis sits down with Kareem K. to explore the history and preservation of the Orange County Area Archives. Kareem shares his journey into archival service, what sparked his passion for preserving Narcotics Anonymous history, and the importance of safeguarding our fellowship's collective memory.
Together, they discuss the value of archives in NA, the stories and documents that help connect us to our roots, and how preserving our past helps carry the message to future generations. Whether you're a history enthusiast, an archivist, or simply curious about the evolution of NA, this conversation offers insight into the dedication and service behind preserving our fellowship's legacy.
Join Francis and Kareem for a fascinating discussion about NA history, archival work, and the importance of remembering where we came from as we continue to move forward in recovery.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/196rEBBOrOExH2c-o0sHZ2qPDcFHYyEHp/view?usp=sharing

Earlier this year, we released a special Mother's Day episode, and we knew we couldn't let Father's Day pass without doing the same.
In this special episode of the Living Clean Podcast, Francis and Mason sit down for a heartfelt conversation about fatherhood, recovery, and the men who helped shape our lives. We share stories about our own dads—the lessons they taught us, the things we carry with us today, and how our relationships with them have evolved through recovery.
We also talk about being fathers ourselves. Recovery has given us opportunities many of us never thought possible: the chance to be present, dependable, loving, and engaged in the lives of our children. We discuss the challenges, responsibilities, joys, and occasional fears that come with trying to be the fathers our kids deserve.
Along the way, we explore how Narcotics Anonymous helped us heal family relationships, break generational cycles, and learn what it means to show up consistently for the people we love. Whether your experience with your father was positive, complicated, painful, or somewhere in between, we hope this conversation offers identification, hope, and encouragement.
Join us for a candid discussion about fathers, sons, daughters, gratitude, forgiveness, legacy, and the incredible gift of being able to participate fully in our families' lives—clean and present, one day at a time. Happy Father's Day from all of us at the Living Clean Podcast.

The Living Clean Podcast returns with a spontaneous and heartfelt conversation as Francis sits down with friend of the podcast, Mo. In this deeply personal episode, Mo shares how she first met Mason and Francis at NCCNA and how those connections grew into friendship, fellowship, and ongoing participation with the podcast community.
Mo opens up about her journey in recovery, the experience of becoming part of the Living Clean Podcast family, and the spiritual connection that developed through shared recovery and service. The conversation also explores the painful reality of relapse, the isolation that can come with drifting away from recovery, and the courage it took for Mo to find her way back to Narcotics Anonymous.
This episode is honest, emotional, and filled with hope—a reminder that no matter how far we wander, the doors of recovery remain open and the fellowship is ready to welcome us home.

In this episode of the Living Clean Podcast, we continue our discussion of the Living Clean chapter on Disabilities. Recovery doesn't eliminate life's challenges, but it does give us new ways to face them. Whether those challenges are physical, cognitive, emotional, visible, or invisible, this conversation explores what it means to live a full and meaningful life in recovery while navigating limitations, obstacles, and differences.
Our panel discusses the importance of acceptance, self-worth, accessibility, asking for help, overcoming shame, and finding purpose despite circumstances that may feel unfair or overwhelming. We also examine how recovery helps us move beyond seeing ourselves as our disability and instead allows us to recognize our value, strengths, and ability to contribute.
This chapter reminds us that while disabilities may affect how we move through the world, they do not define who we are. Recovery offers connection, dignity, hope, and the opportunity to participate fully in life—one day at a time.
Join us as we continue this powerful and heartfelt conversation on resilience, inclusion, gratitude, and the freedom that comes from learning to live clean no matter what challenges we face.