Transactional Analysis Podcast

In this episode of the Transactional Analysis Podcast, hosts John Fleming and Matt Taylor speak with Graeme Summers and Keith Tudor, the co-developers of Co-Creative Transactional Analysis (TA) and recipients of the 2020 Eric Berne Memorial Award for this contribution to TA. 
In this conversation, they trace the origins of Co-Creative TA - from shared questions in training, to years of tussling over theory, to a framework that has shaped how practitioners across psychotherapy, education, coaching, and organisational work understand the heart of TA.
You'll hear them explore:
What Co-Creative TA is and what it is deliberately not
The three principles: we-ness, shared responsibility, and present-centred development
How social constructivism and field theory informed their re-reading of Berne
Why health psychology (psychosanology) matters as much as pathology in TA practice
The difference between transactional analysis and transactional design
The integrating adult and why Graeme now wants to talk about the ‘disintegrating Adult’ too
Why Co-Creative TA is a meta-perspective rather than a school, and what that means for trainees and practitioners
Disclaimer: In this episode, Graeme and Keith are expressing their personal opinions and is not speaking on behalf of any company or organisation.
Guest Information
Keith Tudor
Keith Tudor TSTA(Psychotherapy, CTA(Psychotherapy) is Professor of Psychotherapy  at Auckland University of Technology in Aotearoa New Zealand, where he is also co-Lead of Moana Nui Psychological Therapies Research Group. A Certified and Teaching and Supervising Transactional Analyst in psychotherapy, Keith has worked in and around TA for over 40 years, with more than 100 publications on TA to his name. He maintains a thriving private practice and works across the TA and person-centred worlds as a therapist, supervisor, trainer, and educator.
Graeme Summers
Graeme Summers is an executive coach who has worked at London Business School for over 21 years, partnering with senior leaders at the intersection of psychology and leadership effectiveness. A co-developer of Co-Creative Transactional Analysis, Graeme is a certified Transactional Analyst (Psychotherapy) who, prior to his coaching career, worked as a TA psychotherapist and served as Director of Training at the Counselling and Psychotherapy Training Institute in Edinburgh.
Link to Website: https://www.co-creativity.com
LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/graemesummers/
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In this episode of the Transactional Analysis Podcast, hosts James Longwell and Parul Arora speak with Lorena Adami (CTA-C), a Transactional Analyst in the counselling field based in Italy, about her integration of cinema, storytelling, and TA.
Lorena shares how her background in cinema and media led her to develop what she calls “CineCounselling”, sparked in part by noticing the shared language of script in both film and TA. 
Together, they explore how metaphor, scenes, characters, and shared cultural reference points can support clients and groups to find words, create distance when needed, and expand perception in the counselling context.
You’ll hear them explore:
How Lorena connects movie script and life script 
The concept of what Lorena calls “CineCounselling”
Why cinema can offer a symbolic language when a client can’t yet find words
Using film to create the right distance to speak about self through story
A group example using a movie to explore the free child, creativity, and expression with students
Lorena’s view of TA counselling as empowerment for the client
How movie scenes can make TA concepts more accessible
Guest Information
Lorena Adami (CTA-C) is a Transactional Analyst in the counselling field, based in Italy. She works in private practice and also supports people and groups across educational, organisational, and non-profit contexts through experiential learning, training, and consultancy.
Her approach integrates Film Studies, Transactional Analysis, and Spirituality & Management, using narrative and cinematic language to foster reflection, communication, and relational learning. She is developing CineCounseling, a flexible and co-creative model that uses film and storytelling to explore emotions, relationships, and new perspectives within groups and systems.
Website: https://msha.ke/lorenaadami#about
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lorena-adami-counselling/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/la_cinecounselor/
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This podcast is brought to you in partnership with the United Kingdom Association for Transactional Analysis. We’re proud to have the UK Association for Transactional Analysis (UKATA as our Patronage Partner. UKATA is a vibrant professional body committed to supporting the growth and ethical practice of Transactional Analysis in the UK and beyond.
They support practitioners, trainees, and the public through professional standards, events, and access to TA education. Learn more: www.uka4ta.co.uk
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In this episode of the Transactional Analysis Podcast, hosts John Fleming and Joshua Okunlola speak with Rosemary Napper, an Organisational Training & Supervising Transactional Analyst (TSTA-O) also qualified in the Counselling and Education fields, whose work has shaped how many practitioners understand TA in workplaces, systems, and organisational life.
This rich conversation explores what TA really offers organisational practitioners beyond ego states, games, and scripts  and why the system itself must be understood as the client, not the individual.
Drawing on decades of practice, training, and deep study of Berne’s organisational writings, Rosemary opens up a perspective on TA that is systemic, cultural, and profoundly relevant
You’ll hear them explore:
Why conflict in organisations is almost never individual issues
How structures + system dynamics co-create the character (culture) of a system
What Berne actually wrote about organisations
How culture becomes introjected into people’s Parent and Child ego states
How organisational games form, evolve, and repeat over decades
The ethical pitfalls of individualising systemic problems
The difference between coaching, counselling, psychotherapy, and organisational TA and why it matters
What it really takes to create culture change within organisations

Guest Information
Rosemary Napper is a Teaching and Supervising Transactional Analyst (Organisational), also qualified in the Counselling and Education fields. She originally trained in psychotherapy and now has over 30 years’ experience working with organisations and complex systems.
Rosemary is the Director of TA Works, where she works as a writer, trainer and supervisor across the counselling, educational and organisational fields of TA. Her work focuses on the cultures of systems and the inter-cultural dynamics that shape organisational life. She has also spent decades studying Berne’s original organisational writings and leads a three-year advanced Organisational TA training programme.
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This podcast is brought to you in partnership with the United Kingdom Association for Transactional Analysis. We’re proud to have the UK Association for Transactional Analysis (UKATA as our Patronage Partner. UKATA is a vibrant professional body committed to supporting the growth and ethical practice of Transactional Analysis in the UK and beyond.
They support practitioners, trainees, and the public through professional standards, events, and access to TA education. Learn more at: www.uka4ta.co.uk
We are also supported by the European Association for Transactional Analysis, and our wonderful Patreon supporters.
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In this episode of the Transactional Analysis Podcast, hosts James Longwell and Jr-Earn Lam sit down with Beatrijs Dijkman, a Teaching and Supervising Transactional Analyst (TSTA-Education) based in the Netherlands.
Beatrijs shares how her work in the education field and her recent exploration of “hospicing modernity” invite us to question what we teach, how we learn, and invites us to question what aspects of TA we need to update or let go of in the times we live in now.
Their conversation ranges from the personal to the systemic, from Beatrijs’ own experience in TA education and exams to broader reflections on privilege, inequality, and how modernity shapes our professional culture.
You’ll hear them explore:
What hospicing modernity means and why Beatrijs believes TA must question what it keeps and lets go of
How modern education and qualification systems can unintentionally exclude or privilege certain groups.
The tension between TA’s humanistic values and the meritocratic structures within its training and exams.
What inclusion really looks like in TA education today
An invitation to explore how we might create more equitable spaces for learning.
It’s a thought-provoking and compassionate dialogue that challenges us to look at TA not as a finished canon, but as a living conversation that evolves through questioning, dialogue, and connection.
Guest Information
Since January, Beatrijs has served as co-chair of the PSC (ITAA). Many of her reflections on Transactional Analysis focus on how exams are used and structured within TA pedagogy and training.
Her work is always evolving, with a long-standing involvement in social pedagogy and a deep interest in the role of creativity in learning and development. 
More recently, she has been returning to body and movement work, drawing on her earlier experience as a psychodrama and drama therapist before specialising in TA. 
Website
Connect with Beatrijs on LinkedIn to continue the conversation
Book Mentioned: 
Hospicing Modernity: Facing Humanity’s Wrongs and the Implications for Social Activism by Vanessa Machado de Oliveira
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This podcast is brought to you in partnership with the United Kingdom Association for Transactional Analysis. We’re proud to have the UK Association for Transactional Analysis (UKATA as our Patronage Partner. UKATA is a vibrant professional body committed to supporting the growth and ethical practice of Transactional Analysis in the UK and beyond.
They support practitioners, trainees, and the public through professional standards, events, and access to TA education. Learn more at www.uka4ta.co.uk
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In this episode of the Transactional Analysis Podcast, hosts Matt and James sit down with Dasa Szekely. Dasa is a provisional teaching and supervising transactional analyst (PTSTA) based in Frankfurt. With over 20 years of counseling experience, she runs a private practice and conducts training sessions in Transactional Analysis.
This episode explores the nuances of counseling specifically tailored for men, discussing the societal and cultural factors that influence men's emotional literacy and the importance of connection. 
Dasa shares her journey into working with men in group settings, the challenges they face, and the transformative power of counseling in fostering emotional awareness and connection.
In this episode, you’ll discover:
How Dasa defines counselling specifically for men – and why it’s different from other approaches.
The methods she uses to open up emotional availability and reconnection in male clients.
Her perspective on men who exploit patriarchal dynamics, and the cultural forces behind it.
Whether men’s groups naturally create safety for emotional sharing – or if that trust has to be built.
How cultural background shapes the way men deal with conflict and relationships.
What Dasa herself takes away from conversations with men about masculinity and connection.

Guest Information:
TA Training: https://dasausbildung.de
Counseling: https://dasacoaching.de
Cartoons on Instagram: @dasacoaching
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Thank You To Our Partners
This podcast is brought to you in partnership with the United Kingdom Association for Transactional Analysis. We’re proud to have the UK Association for Transactional Analysis (UKATA as our Patronage Partner. UKATA is a vibrant professional body committed to supporting the growth and ethical practice of Transactional Analysis in the UK and beyond.
They support practitioners, trainees, and the public through professional standards, events, and access to TA education. Learn more: www.uka4ta.co.uk
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