Behind the Stays

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This Week’s Guest:

Jennifer Barnwell - President, Curator Hotel & Resort Collection
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifer-barnwell-a8689ba/
Explore Curator Hotel & Resort Collection: https://www.curatorhotelsandresorts.com/team/jennifer-barnwell/

Your Host:

Zach Busekrus - Journey
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zachbusekrus/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/behindthestays/

 

Recorded live at the Independent Hotel Show in Miami, Zach sits down with Jennifer Barnwell, President of Curator Hotel & Resort Collection, for a macro read on the independent upscale and luxury segment. Jennifer says performance is finally on an upswing after several muted years, but owners are squeezed by costs on every front: consumer goods, labor, property insurance and especially health insurance, alongside persistent staffing gaps in a 24/7 business. She walks through the three technologies Curator has piloted and now runs across member hotels: overnight cleaning robots for corridors and public spaces, guest texting platforms, and AI voice agents that take basic calls off the front desk. The heart of the conversation is Curator's positioning as a "third way" between the big brands and rep/affiliation companies: an owner-centric, light-touch membership built on vetted vendor deals and cost savings, plus consumer marketing that drives direct bookings. Zach pushes on the distribution question, what it would take for a collection to deliver 10% or more of a property's bookings, and argues that AI search makes this the moment for collections as trusted sources for independents.

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This Week's Guest:

Heidi Zimmer — Founder, Wild Rice Retreat
Connect with Heidi: https://heidi-zimmer.com/
Explore Wild Rice Retreats: https://wildriceretreat.com/

 

Your Host:

Zach Busekrus — Journey
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zachbusekrus/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/behindthestays/

Ben Wolff — Founder of Onera & Oasi
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-wolff/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iambenwolff/

 

Heidi Zimmer closed on her construction financing the day before the country shut down in March of 2020.

Then lumber tripled. She had to cut an entire building from the plan. And the business she'd underwritten, roughly seventy-five percent group retreats and twenty-five percent leisure, opened in 2021 and flipped almost exactly upside down.

Heidi has spent more than thirty years in real estate development, much of it building artist housing and creative spaces around the country. Wild Rice Retreat sits on a hundred and fourteen acres of dense forest on a seventy-foot sandstone cliff above Lake Superior in Bayfield, Wisconsin, about as far north as you can go in this country. The land was once home to a James Beard-nominated restaurant designed by the architect David Salmela. Heidi took one look at it and knew it needed to become a place for healing. She brought Salmela back and built a thirty-one-room retreat that blends Scandinavian and Native American traditions.

What makes Wild Rice so interesting is what Heidi refuses to do. Everyone tells her she needs a pickleball court, Pilates reformers and the latest gadget. She tunes all of it out. There's no menu: food is simply out from ten to noon and five to seven, because guests, especially moms, arrive with so much decision fatigue that not having to choose is the wellness. And every day includes a creativity class, because, as Heidi puts it, in the Native American tradition there's no word for artist. To be human is to be an artist.

In this episode, recorded live at the Independent Hotel Show in Miami with my co-host Ben, we get into her three pillars of nourishment, expression and movement. We get into the twenty-five million dollar expansion that adds seventeen owned homes to the rental pool, and the Nordic spa she's building with a glass-front sauna facing Lake Superior. We talk about why same-week bookings are way up, and why she thinks trees are the most underrated wellness modality there is.

Her father used to say there's no problem a good long walk in the woods can't solve. Heidi built a business on it.

The full squad is back. Royal Caribbean is taking a 50% stake in Sandals Resorts for roughly $3 billion, and the crew breaks down why a cruise line wants an all-inclusive hotel brand. Edwin runs the numbers on who is really serving whose guests, and Scott, who has known the Stewart family most of his life, explains why cruise companies can't build ships fast enough and are coming ashore instead.

Then it's Airbnb's hotel push: just shy of 4,000 hotels on the new listing format, hand-curated and aimed at independent and soft-brand three- and four-star properties. Ben weighs in as an operator who knows the platform well, and Edwin asks what happens to hotels when short-term rental markets get squeezed. From there, Uber's hotel business: Dara Khosrowshahi says the traveler comes to Uber, Uber One has more than 50 million paying members, and the Blacklane deal hints at where a trip super app could go.

The closer: at Skift's first creator summit, IHG and Hyatt said they're giving up control of scripted creator campaigns. Scott says it's six years too late. Ben says social is now the best customer acquisition channel on the planet, and any brand that won't invest in it is choosing to hand its bookings to the OTAs. Plus spice of the week, from an Ibiza rave revival to the difference between building a brand and putting heads in beds.

 

Your Hosts:

Zach Busekrus — Journey
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zachbusekrus/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/behindthestays/

Scott Eddy — Global Travel & Hospitality Expert @MrScottEddy
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrscotteddy/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mrscotteddy/

Ben Wolff — Founder of Onera & Oasi
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-wolff/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iambenwolff/

Edwin Kramer — Luxury Hotelier Consultant & Former GM
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/edwinckramer/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/edwinkramer/

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Vanessa Aguirre was in her bridal era when the idea for Femme House found her. A disappointing experience with her own wedding venue, a travel blogger's eye for what makes a stay shareable, and a hunch that bachelorettes deserved better than what Nashville was offering. So in 2020, with travel stopped, weddings cancelled, and everyone telling her she was crazy, she and her husband Jake bought a house in Nashville and painted it pink.

It worked immediately. Bookings poured in from day one (her first mistake: pricing too low), and within a month the goal became property number two in Scottsdale, the country's second-largest bachelorette market. 

 

Today Femme House runs three properties across the two cities, each designed around one guest: the bride. Heart-shaped mini golf, beauty bars built for getting ready together, a shimmer wall that saves every group the $800 they would spend renting one. Every detail has to be both functional and scroll-stopping.

In this episode, Vanessa gets into the strategy behind the aesthetic: why picking one avatar beats appealing to everyone, why "copy the top-performing house" is the worst advice in short-term rental investing, how Nashville and Scottsdale bachelorettes behave completely differently, and how the communal "take a penny, leave a penny" decor culture became part of the brand. She also shares the Airbnb suspension scare, triggered by a neighbor's New Year's Eve fireworks, that pushed her into direct booking, first reluctantly and then happily with Lodgify.

Her advice for anyone building a themed stay: go all the way in.

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Behind the Stays is brought to you by Journey — a first-of-its-kind loyalty program that brings together an alliance of the world’s top independently owned and operated stays and allows travelers to earn points and perks on boutique hotels, vacation rentals, treehouses, ski chalets, glamping experiences and so much more.
 
Your host is Zach Busekrus, Head of Growth at Journey. If you are a hospitality entrepreneur who has a stay, or a collection of stays with soul, we’d love for you to apply to join our Alliance at journey.com/alliance.

Fresh off Independent Hotel Show Miami, Zach and Ben break down two days of conversations with eight owners, operators, and investors from across independent hospitality.
Before the full interviews roll out on This Week in Hospitality, this is the recap — the ideas that kept surfacing across every mic session, the moments that caught us off guard, and what these conversations say about where independent hospitality is actually headed.

Whether you own a property, back one, or build for the people who do, consider this your shortcut to what the industry's sharpest independents are thinking right now.

 

 

Your Hosts:

Zach Busekrus — Journey
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zachbusekrus/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/behindthestays/

Scott Eddy — Global Travel & Hospitality Expert @MrScottEddy
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrscotteddy/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mrscotteddy/

Ben Wolff — Founder of Onera & Oasi
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-wolff/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iambenwolff/

Edwin Kramer — Luxury Hotelier Consultant & Former GM
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/edwinckramer/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/edwinkramer/