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At Work with The Ready

Rodney Evans and Sam Spurlin
At Work with The Ready
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    45, Part 1. Why Pay Will Never Feel Fair At Work (And It's Not The Money)

    09/03/2026 | 47 mins.
    Compensation is one of the messiest parts of any organization. Pay becomes a proxy for belonging, validation, performance, identity, and status… which means it’s almost guaranteed to feel unfair, confusing, and emotionally loaded. Layer on a capitalist “more is always better” mindset, and you get the hedonic treadmill of work: every raise increases expectations, which creates the next round of dissatisfaction.

    In Part 1 of this two-part series on compensation, Rodney Evans and Sam Spurlin dig into why comp is so psychologically charged, why most systems are overly complex, and why the “objective” company lens will never fully match the lived human experience of money.

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    Mentioned references:

    baby hyenas

    hedonic treadmill

    performance management episode: AWWTR Ep. 39

    "authority field": The Ready's OS Canvas

    FAANG (Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Netflix, Google) aka "Big Tech"

    EOT (Employee-Owned Trust)

    00:00 Intro + Check-In: What’s the best animal you’ve seen recently?

    04:07 The pattern: No level of compensation ever feels like enough.

    10:17 Comp becomes a proxy for self-worth

    14:16 Setting individual comp levels

    23:23 Importance of real pay transparency, not “bands”

    27:24 Comp “up and to the right” ignores market value

    31:25 Setting team-level comp and rewards

    36:04 Shared rewards vs Hunger Games for sales teams

    38:29 Is equity a good thing…or a trap?

    46:09 Wrap Up: Continued next time in part 2

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    AUA: What Should L&D Do About AI Right Now?

    02/03/2026 | 7 mins.
    AI pressure is landing squarely on Learning & Development teams. Execs want “future skills”…yesterday. The tension? How do you stop churning out more courses and start building real capabilities in the age of AI?

    In this AUA mini episode, Rodney and Sam share the first moves they’d make if they were leading L&D right now. From getting hands-on with workflow automation tools to shifting from tool training toward systems thinking and experimentation, they outline how L&D can move from reactive skill provider to strategic capability builder.

    Want to build skills like this to help your team succeed in 2026? Learn about our Capability Catalyst program: https://hubs.la/Q040ccYF0

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    Mentioned references:

    recent change skills episode: AWWTR Ep. 42

    Relay

    n8n

    Ethan Mollick

    Greg Shove: AWWTR Ep. 41

    Scott Galloway

    Chase Adams

    EvolvingAI

    Morning Brew

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    44. Forget ROI: The Ethical Case for Org Design

    23/02/2026 | 52 mins.
    Most org design conversations get forced through a narrow funnel: prove the ROI, justify the spend, make the numbers work. But if work is something most people can’t opt out of—and where we spend a huge chunk of our attention and waking lives—then “it pays off” feels like a painfully small standard.

    This week, Rodney and Sam explore the ethical case for organizational design. They move beyond spreadsheets and profit metrics to ask bigger questions about leadership, power, transparency, compensation, and the human impact of broken systems. What do organizations owe the people who work inside them? Is better workplace design a moral responsibility — not just a financial strategy?

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    Mentioned references:

    r/antiwork


    Mihaly Csikzentmihalyi and Flow

    Target CEO comp package (note: New CEO’s comp package is roughly $16m, vs over $70m for the prior CEO in 2020)

    triple bottom line

    John Rawls and A Theory of Justice

    00:00 Check-In: What’s your energy like right now?
    04:04 Divorcing doing what’s “good work” from ROI

    08:16 A “good” experience is the exception rather than the rule

    10:06 Protecting yourself isn’t “selling out”

    15:41 Spending our attention on worthy things

    21:35 Leadership vs. worker power disparity is broken

    27:31 Ethically designed companies never are publicly traded

    31:07 Principles and values of ethical orgs

    40:35 Joy at work shouldn’t be nickled and dimed

    44:35 Idea 1: Don’t accept performative change initiatives

    47:17 Idea 2: Audit your existing principles and values

    48:35 Idea 3: Don’t let leadership gaslight you into conforming

    50:33 Wrap up: Leave us a review and share the show with a friend

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    AUA: Can You Change an Org When Leadership Doesn’t See the Problem?

    16/02/2026 | 7 mins.
    When the people at the center of power feel well-served by the current system, how do you create change? This week’s listener question gets at a frustrating reality: sometimes the OS is optimized for the very people you’d need to convince. The business is growing, shareholders are happy, and the executives at the top don’t feel the friction you’re experiencing. Add geography, hierarchy, and distance from decision-makers, and it can feel impossible to generate momentum from the edges.

    In this mini AUA episode, Rodney and Sam get honest about what’s actually within your control, and when it’s worth accepting that you won’t move the center—and when it’s smarter to redirect your energy toward the surface area you can influence.

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    43. Dual Transformation Is The Future...And Nobody's Prepared

    09/02/2026 | 49 mins.
    Most organizations are built to do exactly what they do…and that’s the problem. When a core business starts to decay due to disruption, automation, or shifting customer demand, the instinct is to double down on efficiency, cost cutting, and short-term fixes. But that focus often crowds out the harder, riskier work of building what comes next. Nearly a decade ago, Dual Transformation offered a clear and compelling framework for this dilemma, yet nobody seems to be actually doing it.

    In this episode, Rodney Evans and Sam Spurlin unpack why dual transformations are so rare, why it’s even harder than it sounds, and why it matters more than ever in an AI-shaped economy. They dig into the tensions between “business A” (the core) and “business B” (the future), the funding and operating system traps that kill new growth, and practical moves leaders and internal change agents can make to actually pull of two transformations at once instead of just talking about it.

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    Mentioned references:

    Type One vs Type Two fun

    Enneagram 7: AWWTR Ep. 33 with Liz Orr

    Ulysses (book)

    Dual Transformation (book)

    Clayton Christensen and disruptive innovation

    taxi and uber disruption

    Eisenhower matrix

    "Squirrel"

    Sam's manifesto

    00:00 Intro + Check-In: What’s some type two fun you’ve had recently?

    04:29 What is Dual Transformation and why now?

    13:27 Sounds simple, yet deceptively hard

    21:05 The 3 crisis points of a dual transformation

    27:12 Recognizing when you’re in a dying business

    30:57 Engineering a dual transformation from the inside out

    37:24 Navigating the emotions of the dying business

    39:14 Idea 1: Weekly feedback routines with customers

    43:07 Idea 2: Import as little as possible from the old company

    45:59 Idea 3: Write the manifesto for both businesses

    47:29 Bonus Idea: Read Dual Transformation!

    48:26 Wrap up

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About At Work with The Ready

Rodney Evans and Sam Spurlin have helped teams around the world adopt more modern ways of working and on At Work with The Ready they’re sharing the inside scoop with you, too. Whether you’re struggling with a carousel of ineffective meetings, annual strategy sessions that go nowhere, or decision-making churn that never ceases, they’ve seen it all and are here to help. In each episode, they'll break down common workplace challenges and show you the moves—both big and small—to start making real, lasting change. (Formerly “Brave New Work” with Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans)
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