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Mark McGrath and Brian "Ponch" Rivera
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  • OODA in Sports Coaching: Constraints-Led Approach (CLA) Insights
    Send us a textRob Gray, PhD on  Constraints-Led Approach (CLA) in Sports CoachingDive deep into Col. John Boyd’s OODA Loop through the Constraints Led Approach (CLA) with Rob Gray (Arizona State University, Perception-Action Podcast). Discover how ecological dynamics, feedback, and adaptive training create flow states and elite performance in sports — and beyondGuest Rob Gray, a professor at Arizona State University and host of the Perception Action Podcast, shares his expertise on ecological dynamics, skill acquisition, and building adaptable athletes. Drawing from baseball, basketball, and beyond, Rob discusses how constraints enhance human performance, feedback mechanisms foster learning through failure, and cultural differences shape coaching strategies—bridging OODA's perception-action loop with real-world training.Rob, author of "How We Learn to Move" and "The Ecological Coach," teases how CLA transforms rigid drills into dynamic, game-like environments for peak performance.  Guest: Rob Gray, PhD→ Podcast: https://perceptionaction.com/→ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-gray-8232b417/Subscribe & Never Miss a No Way Out Episode:→ Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com › podcast › no-way-out→ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5fzIKBmVR7ARosQ3I52uNCContinue Your Whirl→The Whirl of ReOrientation: https://thewhirl.substack.com/ NWO Intro with Boyd March 25, 2025 Flow Learning Lab Find us on X. @NoWayOutcast Substack: The Whirl of ReOrientation Want to develop your organization’s capacity for free and independent action (Organic Success)? Learn more and follow us at:https://www.aglx.com/https://www.youtube.com/@AGLXConsultinghttps://www.linkedin.com/company/aglx-consulting-llc/https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandriverahttps://www.linkedin.com/in/markjmcgrath1https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevemccroneStay in the Loop. Don't have time to listen to the podcast? Want to make some snowmobiles? Subscribe to our weekly newsletter to receive deeper insights on current and past episodes.Recent podcasts where you’ll also find Mark and Ponch: The No Bell Podcast Episode 24...
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  • Agentic AI Thinks Like Boyd: The OODA Upgrade LLMs Can’t Touch
    Send us a text🎖️ **Royal Marine Commando Ben Ford** (software engineer, Haskell/category theory) joins *No Way Out* to expose the **OODA loop myth** most AI devs still believe.  🔥 **Agentic AI runs John Boyd’s *real* OODA** — not the linear "observe-orient-decide-act" cartoon.    🔴 **LLMs are evolutionary dead-ends**: text-in, text-out, no destruction & creation, no real-time model updates.    🟢 **Active inference AI = fractal OODA**: destroys old models, creates new ones *every cycle* — at 1/1000th the energy.  ---  🧠 **KEY BREAKDOWNS**  • **Orientation = the entire loop** (neuroscience + category theory proof)    • **Unfolding circumstances = affordances in 4D space-time** (Wardley Maps + spatial web)    • **Destruction & Creation = Active Inference** (FEP, Markov blankets, low-energy dominance)    • **Why Scrum fails, exploration wins** (knowledge *of* vs. knowledge *about*)    • **2026 AI forecast**: edge-device FEP agents, Verses AI, LLMs obsolete. 💬 **QUOTE**  > “LLMs are linear OODA. Active inference is *fractal* OODA. The difference? Real-time destruction and creation.” — **Ben Ford**  ---  🚀 **No Way Out Podcast** – Where Marines, AI devs, and systems thinkers decode dominance.    #OODA #AgenticAI #JohnBoyd #ActiveInference #FreeEnergyPrinciple💬 **QUOTE**  > “LLMs are linear OODA. Active inference is *fractal* OODA. The difference? Real-time destruction and creation.” — **Ben Ford** Ben Ford (LinkedIn)NWO Intro with Boyd March 25, 2025 Flow Learning Lab Find us on X. @NoWayOutcast Substack: The Whirl of ReOrientation Want to develop your organization’s capacity for free and independent action (Organic Success)? Learn more and follow us at:https://www.aglx.com/https://www.youtube.com/@AGLXConsultinghttps://www.linkedin.com/company/aglx-consulting-llc/https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandriverahttps://www.linkedin.com/in/markjmcgrath1https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevemccroneStay in the Loop. Don't have time to listen to the podcast? Want to make some snowmobiles? Subscribe to our weekly newsletter to receive deeper insights on current and past episodes.Recent podcasts where you’ll also find Mark and Ponch: The No Bell Podcast Episode 24...
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  • Real-Time Policing in Chicagoland: Real OODA With Lou Hayes, Jr
    Send us a textMomentum favors those who move first. We sit down with Lou Hayes to trace how real-time crime centers (RTCC) rooftop drones, and secure collaboration tools are compressing response times from minutes to seconds—and what that means on the street where handcuffs still close the loop. Lou explains how small suburbs in Chicagoland connect with city, county, state, and federal partners to build a shared picture, crowdsourcing intelligence from 911 centers, analysts, air units, and even organized retail teams. The result is faster orientation and clearer guidance, but also a new dilemma: how much transparency helps the public understand the tools without giving criminals the countermeasures they need.The conversation goes beyond gadgets. We examine the human cost of screen fixation, the quiet erosion of interview craft, and why de-escalation and calm radio work keep the frontal cortex in the fight. Lou walks through how strategy must evolve when new sensors come online, why canine and overhead assets change ground tactics, and how criminals adapt—ghost plates, tree canopies, tunnels—faster than policy can catch up. We talk scams targeting older adults with fake dashboards and urgency scripts, the role of facial recognition in challenging ID cases, and the harsh realities of human trafficking where victims are coerced into other crimes.Recruiting and retention surface as critical constraints: smaller talent pools, vocational drift, and the continued value of military veterans. Lou argues for systems thinking over silos, connecting wellness to use-of-force, intel to action, and strategy to recruitment. His closing challenge is a detective mentality: hold your theories loosely, hunt for disconfirming evidence, and keep refining reality. If you care about public safety that privileges outcomes over optics, and technology that serves people instead of replacing them, this is your field guide to what actually works.If this resonated, follow the show, share it with a friend, and leave a review with your biggest takeaway. Your feedback helps more curious listeners find conversations like this.Lou Hayes on LinkedInNWO Intro with Boyd March 25, 2025 Flow Learning Lab Find us on X. @NoWayOutcast Substack: The Whirl of ReOrientation Want to develop your organization’s capacity for free and independent action (Organic Success)? Learn more and follow us at:https://www.aglx.com/https://www.youtube.com/@AGLXConsultinghttps://www.linkedin.com/company/aglx-consulting-llc/https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandriverahttps://www.linkedin.com/in/markjmcgrath1https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevemccroneStay in the Loop. Don't have time to listen to the podcast? Want to make some snowmobiles? Subscribe to our weekly newsletter to receive deeper insights on current and past episodes.Recent podcasts where you’ll also find Mark and Ponch: The No Bell Podcast Episode 24...
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  • Naval Power in Action with CAPT Brent Sadler, USN (Ret.)
    Send us a textPonch and Moose connect with Brent Sadler, a retired U.S. Navy Captain and Senior Fellow at the Heritage Foundation, discussing maritime strategy, U.S.-China relations, and naval power in the Indo-Pacific. Sadler reflects on his collaboration with Ponch at PACOM (now INDOPACOM) from 2012-2015, where they shifted from linear, phase-based planning to non-linear, adaptive approaches like complex adaptive systems and a "spectrum of rivalry" to counter China's hybrid threats. The conversation covers the ongoing "new Cold War" with China, which Sadler argues began post-Tiananmen Square in 1989 and encompasses economic, diplomatic, informational, and societal warfare rather than just kinetic conflict. Key examples include China's maritime insurgency in the South China Sea, the West Capella incident as a model of "naval statecraft," and historical influences like unrestricted warfare, the 100 Years of Humiliation, and WWII collaborations. Sadler critiques U.S. shipbuilding deficiencies, advocates for reforms like a Naval Act and unmanned systems, and addresses topics such as Force Design 2030, the 2027 Taiwan threat timeline, the Fat Leonard scandal, Panama Canal security, and Tomahawk transfers to Ukraine. He emphasizes non-linear thinking, cultural understanding, and building industrial capacity to deter China, drawing from his personal background growing up in Asia and professional experiences.Naval Power in Action U.S. Naval Power in the 21st Century: A New Strategy for Facing the Chinese and Russian Threat NWO Intro with Boyd March 25, 2025 Flow Learning Lab Find us on X. @NoWayOutcast Substack: The Whirl of ReOrientation Want to develop your organization’s capacity for free and independent action (Organic Success)? Learn more and follow us at:https://www.aglx.com/https://www.youtube.com/@AGLXConsultinghttps://www.linkedin.com/company/aglx-consulting-llc/https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandriverahttps://www.linkedin.com/in/markjmcgrath1https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevemccroneStay in the Loop. Don't have time to listen to the podcast? Want to make some snowmobiles? Subscribe to our weekly newsletter to receive deeper insights on current and past episodes.Recent podcasts where you’ll also find Mark and Ponch: The No Bell Podcast Episode 24...
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  • Spatial Web + Active Inference: Beyond LLMs | Dan Mapes
    Send us a text 🌐 **Spatial Web + Active Inference = Intelligent Planet**    Dan Mapes (Versus AI, Spatial Web Foundation) joins *No Way Out* to **destroy LLM myths** and reveal **FEP-powered 3D web**What if the web didn’t just host pages—it hosted intelligence? We sit down with Dan Mapes, director of the Spatial Web Foundation and co-founder of Verses AI, to unpack how a shared protocol, digital twins, and Active Inference could turn today’s internet into a living, learning fabric that understands space, time, and context. Instead of one giant model, imagine thousands of expert AIs—cardiology, ports, power grids—each built by domain leaders, all interoperable and discoverable like websites. That’s not hype; it’s a shift from a 2D information web to a 3D web of intelligence.We explore Karl Friston's Free Energy Principle and Active Inference with real-world stakes: energy efficiency closer to brains than data centers, autonomous decisions that don’t break when the world changes, and robotics that adapt without million-dollar pre-training. Dan explains how world models evolve through sensing and action, why protocols matter more than monoliths, and how decentralization enables hyper‑local solutions that still plug into a global network. From OODA to flow, meditation to geometry, we connect the mental models behind invention with the engineering that makes it durable.The implications are huge: smart cities that coordinate in real time, supply chains that sense and respond, and a path from LLM content tools to embodied, autonomous systems. We also talk culture and economics—why abundance eases control, how institutions adapt like they did after the printing press, and why this next era could make us more human, not less. If you’re a founder, policymaker, or systems leader, this is a blueprint for building actionable intelligence—starting with small, truthful models that learn every day.If this conversation sparks ideas, follow and share the show, leave a review, and tell us where you want intelligence to plug intNWO Intro with Boyd March 25, 2025 Flow Learning Lab Find us on X. @NoWayOutcast Substack: The Whirl of ReOrientation Want to develop your organization’s capacity for free and independent action (Organic Success)? Learn more and follow us at:https://www.aglx.com/https://www.youtube.com/@AGLXConsultinghttps://www.linkedin.com/company/aglx-consulting-llc/https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandriverahttps://www.linkedin.com/in/markjmcgrath1https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevemccroneStay in the Loop. Don't have time to listen to the podcast? Want to make some snowmobiles? Subscribe to our weekly newsletter to receive deeper insights on current and past episodes.Recent podcasts where you’ll also find Mark and Ponch: The No Bell Podcast Episode 24...
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Welcome to the No Way Out podcast where we examine the variety of domains and disciplines behind John R. Boyd’s OODA sketch and why, today, more than ever, it is an imperative to understand Boyd’s axiomatic sketch of how organisms, individuals, teams, corporations, and governments comprehend, shape, and adapt in our VUCA world.
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