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Messy Social Work

Messy Social Work
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  • Messy Social Work

    Rich and Tim speak to Janet Kay OBE about her experiences as a social worker, adoptive parent and kinship carer

    02/04/2026 | 1h 16 mins.
    Janet Kay is a prominent kinship carer, trustee for the charity Kinship, and OBE recipient who advocates for families in England raising relatives' children. Based in Sheffield, she has cared for her grandson since he was 18 months old, advocating for better financial and practical support, and overcoming the "dump and run" lack of resources for caregivers. 

    Key Aspects of Janet Kay's Work and Experience:
    Advocacy: She serves on the Independent Review of Children's Social Care's Experts by Experience Board and works to raise awareness of the 200,000+ children in kinship care.
    Background: Formerly a social worker and lecturer, she retired early to care for her grandson.
    Support & Recognition: She highlights the urgent need for legal, financial, and emotional support for kinship carers, who often face "invisible" challenges and limited resources.
    Campaigning: She works with the charity Kinship to support carers and helps set up local peer support groups in Sheffield.
    Honours: She was awarded an OBE in the New Year's Honours for her services to kinship care. 

    Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/

    Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme

    Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/

    Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/
  • Messy Social Work

    Rich and Tim speak to Professor Jonathan Scourfield on what the largest-ever Family Group Conference study reveals

    27/03/2026 | 1h 15 mins.
    Professor Jonathan Scourfield is a leading UK academic in social work, currently based at Cardiff University. His work spans child welfare, social care inequalities, suicide and self‑harm research, and working with men across the life course 
    This one https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=6079816tests if participation quality (i.e., how well families said their voice was heard) was linked to outcomes and finds that yes it was, though not for all outcomes we measured. 
    This paper https://osf.io/preprints/socarxiv/s7f8g_v1 compares FGCs at three stages of the child welfare process and finds no differences among them, which is good news for promoting their use more broadly, not just for families with a child protection plan or in pre-proceedings. (the proviso being that not all outcomes improve after FGCs, but you wouldn’t really expect them to).
    Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/

    Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme

    Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/

    Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/
  • Messy Social Work

    Rich and Tim speak to Juliette Davies about addiction, domestic abuse and her recovery journey

    21/03/2026 | 56 mins.
    A few years ago, Rich carried out an assessment that concluded Juliette couldn’t safely care for her children. It was a difficult moment, shaped by years of substance misuse, trauma, and repeated involvement from services.
    That assessment recommended residential rehabilitation.
    Juliette went on to take that step.
    In this conversation, Rich and Tim speak with Juliette about what was happening in her life at the time, why previous support hadn’t led to lasting change, and what was different about rehab. She shares openly about addiction, domestic abuse, and the reality of trying to rebuild a life.
    Today, Juliette is clean, sober, and her children are back in her care.
    This episode is about what can happen after the assessment — and what it really takes for change to occur.
    Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/

    Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme

    Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/

    Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/
  • Messy Social Work

    Rich and Tim on practice lessons from the tragic death of Sara Shariff

    13/03/2026 | 1h 15 mins.
    Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/

    Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme

    Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/

    Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/
  • Messy Social Work

    Rich and Tim speak to Ethan St Pierre about trauma tourism, alongside a news roundup from Mithran Samuel (CC)

    06/03/2026 | 1h 5 mins.
    Connect with Ethan here: 
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/ethan-st-pierre-bb58403ab/
    Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/

    Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme

    Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/

    Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/

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Welcome to the Messy Social Work podcast. The hosts are Richard Devine and Tim Fisher. Check out our website here: https://www.relationalactivism.com/
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