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Zaretta Hammond has spent her career pushing school leaders past feel-good equity language and into the instructional core, where the real gaps live. Her latest book, Rebuilding Students' Learning Power: Teaching for Instructional Equity and Cognitive Justice, names a pattern she calls cognition redlining — the quiet, well-intentioned way schools underdevelop the thinking capacity of historically marginalized students.
She's the author behind Culturally Responsive Teaching and the Brain, a text already sitting on most instructional coaches' shelves.
Districts have poured billions into equity work for three decades, and the outcomes for Black, brown, Indigenous, and linguistically diverse students haven't moved. Zaretta Hammond says that's not a funding problem or an effort problem — it's a cognition problem, and most principals have never been trained to see it.
🫶 What You'll Learn
Why most equity initiatives never touch the instructional core
The real difference between information processing and executive function — and why leaders confuse the two
What cognition redlining looks like inside a compliance-driven classroom
How to introduce a new instructional practice without teachers abandoning it in six weeks
Why treating teachers as "personal trainers of cognition" changes everything about instructional leadership
🔨 Breaking Down the Old Rules
🎯 Key Insight #1: Cognition Redlining Is Blocking Your Equity Work
What's broken: Schools chase equity through better relationships, high-quality materials, and effort — while the instructional core keeps underdeveloping students' actual thinking capacity.
The shift: Treat teachers as the personal trainer of a student's cognition — coaching and assessing, not doing the thinking for them.
Impact: Students move from being managed through lessons to actually building the learning power that raises achievement.
💥 Key Insight #2: Information Processing Is Not Executive Function
What's broken: Leaders default to teaching study skills, binder organization, and time management, assuming that builds understanding — it doesn't.
The shift: Explicitly teach students how to turn new, random information into meaning-laden, usable knowledge — a distinct skill from staying organized.
Impact: Students stop being "dutiful" task-completers and start being able to close their own knowledge gaps without a teacher hovering every ten minutes.
🚀 Key Insight #3: Scaling Change Requires the First Pancake
What's broken: Leaders launch new practices school-wide, all at once, out of urgency — then abandon them within weeks when they don't take.
The shift: Start with a small band of willing teachers, let the first attempt be imperfect, make adjustments, and expand concentrically over time.
Impact: Practices actually take hold instead of becoming one more initiative teachers quietly wait out.
🗣️ ZARETTA HAMMOND QUOTES FROM THE RUCKUSCAST
"Getting students through the lesson doesn't build their learning power. That's the trap."
— Zaretta Hammond
"The personal trainer doesn't do the push-ups for you. They assess you, design a program, and coach you through the obstacles."
— Zaretta Hammond
"Be closer to hearing students talk about their understanding. Not their look-busyness."
— Zaretta Hammond
"Information processing is not the same as executive function. An organized binder won't get you conceptual understanding."
— Zaretta Hammond
"Change takes a dip before it levels off. That first pancake is bad, but you don't shut the kitchen down."
— Zaretta Hammond
"You let go of one bar and hang in the air before you grab the other. If leaders can't hold that space, people go back to what wasn't working."
— Zaretta Hammond
"Instructional leadership is not instructional management. A pacing guide is management — a personal trainer gives you skills for outside the hour."
— Zaretta Hammond
"You have to set up a culture of errors before you ask students to struggle. Mistakes are data."
— Zaretta Hammond
🚵‍♀️ Your Do School Different Challenge
Ready to implement? Start here:
Tomorrow: Ask three students in one lesson to explain their thinking out loud instead of just showing you the answer.
This Month: Audit one schoolwide practice — like turn-and-talks or sentence starters — and ask whether it builds understanding or just looks busy.
This Semester: Pilot one new cognition-building practice with a small group of willing teachers before rolling it out to the whole building.
⏰ Episode Timestamps
00:00 - Why equity efforts keep missing the mark
05:05 - Naming cognition redlining in schools
07:25 - How equity work quietly lowers the bar
09:38 - What learning power actually means
13:46 - Measuring learning power instead of test scores
16:28 - Why compliance is baked into school DNA
20:17 - What true cognitive independence requires
26:26 - The seductive shortcuts that derail real change
30:00 - The first pancake theory of scaling change
31:58 - The Costco lesson on how change spreads
34:31 - The liminal space leaders must hold
40:38 - The brain science behind real progress
42:08 - Instructional leadership vs instructional management
44:52 - Zaretta's message for every school marquee
🔗 Connect With Zaretta Hammond
Website: https://ready4rigor.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zaretta-hammond-2b122ba/
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META DESCRIPTION: Zaretta Hammond on cognition redlining, closing the learning power gap, and what real instructional equity looks like for principals.

Running an elementary school in rural British Columbia hasn't stopped this Ruckus Maker from building an indoor worm farm, growing hydroponic lettuce, and taking a self-funded year off to reset — proof that a principal's personality is not a distraction from the job.
Dan Watt is a Mastermind Coach inside the Ruckus Maker community and a recurring co-host of the Ruckuscast, known for turning "pay yourself first" into a leadership philosophy that's kept him energized four years into the role.
Joining him is Mitch Weathers, CEO and author of Executive Functions for Every Classroom, whose work on entry plans and executive functioning has become required reading for school leaders trying to build systems that actually stick. Find them both at betterleadersbetterschools.com.
Principal burnout doesn't start with too many emails — it starts the moment you decide the job requires you to leave your actual personality at the door. This episode is an Adorable Red Hats reunion where two veteran school leaders make the case that worm farms, hydroponics, and paying yourself first aren't distractions from leadership — they're the thing that makes it sustainable.
📚 What You'll Learn
How bringing real hobbies into your building turns staff and students into willing "conspirators" instead of compliant bystanders.
Why "pay yourself first" works as both a financial strategy and a burnout-prevention system for principals.
What a self-funded sabbatical actually looks like, and how to plan one even without full district support.
How the Harada Method turns a single big goal into a flexible daily practice instead of another thing to fail at.
Why trying to please every stakeholder is the fastest way to lose the ones who matter most.
✍️ Breaking Down the Old Rules
☝ Key Insight #1: Why Bringing Your Personality to School Prevents Principal Burnout
What's broken: Principals believe professionalism means suppressing personal interests to look serious and in control.
The shift: Ruckus Makers build hobbies like worm farms and hydroponics directly into the school day and invite students, staff, and families in.
Impact: A classroom of second graders now runs a full worm-composting system, a school secretary bought her own home worm bin after watching it happen, and a principal four years into the role reports feeling joyful instead of burned out.
☝️Key Insight #2: The "Pay Yourself First" Framework for Principal Wellness
What's broken: School leaders wait for the district to hand them time off or wellness support, and it rarely comes on its own.
The shift: Treat rest like a budget line — reduce your income by a set percentage for a few years to fund a planned sabbatical, the same way businesses run "Profit First."
Impact: One principal banked a full year of paid leave after three years of reduced income, came back four years later still sustainable in the role, and never had to choose between burning out and quitting.
☝️Key Insight #3: Why the Harada Method Beats a Rigid Self-Care Routine
What's broken: Traditional self-care plans demand daily perfection — miss one gym day and the whole system feels like it failed.
The shift: The Harada Method sets one long-term "super goal" surrounded by a flexible menu of daily habit options instead of a mandatory checklist.
Impact: Leaders report steady forward progress on wellness goals without the guilt spiral that kills most New Year's-style resolutions by February.
🫶 DANNY BAUER, DAN WATT & MITCH WEATHERS QUOTES FROM THE RUCKUSCAST
"Most school leaders think professionalism means leaving their personality at the door."
— Danny Bauer
"The best schools aren't run by heroes. They're run by leaders who know how to enroll conspirators."
— Danny Bauer
"It becomes the work. It makes the work sustainable because folks are having fun showing up."
— Dan Watt
"It's a human system and it's prioritizing human well being."
— Dan Watt
"When I write those newsletters on Sunday, I try to write them with a smile on my face."
— Dan Watt
"Are we prepared to lessen the amount of content we teach in order to provide more meaningful learning experiences that have a greater chance of leading to deeper learning, increased storage and long term memory, and the acquisition of new skills?"
— Mitch Weathers
"If school leaders put into action the entry plan carefully outlined in this book, the stress they are used to carrying into the school year will vanish."
— Mitch Weathers
🚵‍♀️ Your Do School Different Challenge
Ready to implement? Start here:
Tomorrow: Pick one personal hobby you've been keeping separate from work and find five minutes today to bring a piece of it into your building.
This Month: Draft a "pay yourself first" plan — even a small one — mapping how many months of reduced spending would fund a real break from the job.
This Semester: Build your own Harada-style template: one super goal, a ring of supporting pillars, and a flexible daily habit menu you check instead of chase perfection on.
⌚️ Episode Timestamps
00:00 - Why professionalism doesn't mean losing your personality
04:24 - The Adorable Red Hats reunion kicks off
05:36 - Dan Watt's self-funded year-long leave story
09:29 - Bringing hobbies back into the building
12:41 - Inside the classroom worm farm and compost system
17:33 - Enrolling conspirators instead of managing compliance
19:47 - Pay yourself first, financially and figuratively
24:55 - Figuring out what actually fills your cup
26:09 - The Harada Method and the Resilient Leader program
33:29 - Why trying to please everyone backfires
39:54 - Dan Watt on rediscovering his mojo
42:27 - Mitch Weathers on his new book and tour
48:02 - Closing takeaways on joyful leadership
🔗 Connect With Dan Watt & Mitch Weathers
👩🏻‍💻 Mitch Weathers
Website: organizedbinder.com
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/mitchweathers
👩🏻‍💻 Dan Watt:
Website: https://www.danwattcoaching.ca/
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/danwatt57
🎙️ Listen & Subscribe
Listen to Better Leaders Better Schools on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Youtube or wherever you get your podcasts. If today's episode moved you, leave a review — it helps more Ruckus Makers find the show.
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🫶 Today's RuckusCast Partners
ODP Business Solutions has been the trusted supply partner for schools for 30 years — and they've moved way past pencils and paper. Want to turn a tired computer lab into a STEAM innovation center, or upgrade every classroom from whiteboards to interactive displays? Their team designs it, and you order it all from a single supplier with access to cooperative contracts that simplify budgeting and keep you compliant.
⚡️ Learn more at ODPbusiness.com/education
Frontline Education's 2026 K12 Lens report tracked how professional learning design connects to staffing stability across districts — and the findings are a wake-up call for anyone planning next year's PD calendar. Districts with structured, individually targeted professional growth report easier hiring; nearly half of districts using software to manage that growth say hiring has gotten easier, compared to just 30% of districts that don't.
⚡️ Download the full report at frontlineeducation.com/leaders
IXL is the adaptive platform teachers already trust to make differentiated instruction simple — and for Ruckus Makers, it does even more. Its dashboard gives school leaders a real-time pulse on student performance, drillable down to the individual student, with reports you can customize to whatever matters most to your building.
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META DESCRIPTION: Why principal burnout starts with hiding your personality at work — and how pay yourself first and the Harada Method fix it.

Confidence as a principal isn't something you're born with — it's something you build. I've been asking new Mastermind members and Digital Danny users why they're signing up, and I keep hearing the same thing: they're working on their confidence. Most won't say it out loud. Most think their doubt means they're not cut out for this.
That's the pattern I'm noticing. Here are three concrete practices — starting with a 90-second daily routine — that transform how you show up next year. You'll stop questioning every decision. You'll start trusting your gut. You'll lead like you mean it.
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⌚️ TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Cold open: Building confidence with an unconventional story
01:57 - Why so many principals struggle with self-doubt
03:41 - Method 1: The EPS Journal for a 90-second daily boost
05:17 - How the EPS Journal builds your personal highlight reel
07:02 - Method 2: Watch the language that sabotages your confidence
08:47 - Common self-sabotaging phrases principals use
10:42 - Method 3: Stop leading in isolation
12:42 - Why doing leadership alone is holding you back
14:25 - Digital Danny: Your AI-powered principal coach
15:25 - The Mastermind: Weekly support and peer mentorship
16:19 - Options to build confidence this summer
CONNECT & CONTINUE
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Leading a 25-school network to a 96% graduation rate and 91% staff retention — with zero tenure protection — takes more than good policy. It takes a leader who has lived the exact inequity his schools now solve for. Pablo Villavicencio grew up in East LA, where his own neighborhood school graduated less than half its students, and only got a real shot at a quality education because his parents falsified an address to send him to a school 30 miles away.
He carried that lesson through Teach For America, a school closure in Harlem, and five years as a founding high school principal in the Bronx before landing back in the exact Los Angeles community he grew up in — this time as CEO of Alliance College-Ready Public Schools. Find Alliance's work at laalliance.org.
Teacher retention is the number every superintendent claims to be working on and almost none can move. Pablo Villavicencio's network sits at 91% retention across every employee group, without tenure, while running 25 schools and a 96% graduation rate in some of LA's highest-poverty neighborhoods — and in this episode, he breaks down exactly how belief, not policy, got him there.
✍️ What You'll Learn
Why "all kids can learn" has to function as infrastructure, not a mission statement, before it changes anything
How to build a wraparound services model that pairs academic teacher teams with therapists and social workers
What actually drives teacher retention without tenure protection
How to keep 25 schools aligned to one vision without creating a siloed bureaucracy
Why redefining "college ready" to include community advocacy and wellness changed Alliance's outcomes
🔨 Breaking Down the Old Rules
🚀 Key Insight #1: Why School Culture Change Starts With a Belief System, Not a Policy
What's broken: Most school systems write "all students can learn" on a banner and call it culture work, while the master schedule, staffing model, and discipline systems tell students something else entirely.
The shift: Villavicencio treats the belief that every kid can learn as an operating system — it has to show up in the master schedule, the staffing model, and the wraparound services, or it isn't real.
Impact: Alliance's 25 schools graduate 96% of students and get 89-93% to college-ready status, compared to roughly 49% graduation and 59% college-ready rates at neighboring LAUSD schools.
🚀 Key Insight #2: The Wraparound Services Model That Turns Around Low-Performing Schools
What's broken: Teachers are left to diagnose whether a struggling student is "lazy" or dealing with something deeper, usually alone and without the information to know the difference.
The shift: Villavicencio built "kid talk" teams that pair content teachers with therapists and social workers — partnering with outside organizations for family therapy — so root causes get surfaced instead of guessed at.
Impact: At the high school Villavicencio founded in the Bronx for English language learners, the first graduating class hit 66% graduation from a starting point of 10% — climbing to an 88% six-year graduation rate.
🚀 Key Insight #3: How to Hit 91% Teacher Retention Without Tenure
What's broken: Most systems either get good at attracting talent or good at retaining it — rarely both — because they never build a stable, consistent container people trust enough to stay in.
The shift: Alliance runs focus groups across every school, shares the real narrative of what staff are facing, and refuses to place value judgments on how different generations of teachers experience the same problem.
Impact: Alliance holds 91% retention across every employee group in a sector where turnover is the norm — with no tenure protections in place.
🎙️ PABLO VILLAVICENCIO QUOTES FROM THE RUCKUSCAST
"You have to believe, deeply believe, that all kids can learn."
— Pablo Villavicencio
"Equity to me is not about fairness. It's about making sure kids get what they need in order so that they're successful."
— Pablo Villavicencio
"We have 91% retention across all employee groups in Alliance. It is not common in the educational space."
— Pablo Villavicencio
"Large bureaucracies or large systems will never fully get the results that are needed for hyper community, like for local context, because those closest to the impact that you're hoping to have are not at the decision-making table."
— Pablo Villavicencio
"You have so much power, you have such a high locus of control."
— Pablo Villavicencio
"You have to be talking to your teachers and your kids on a regular basis. You have to be in relationship, you have to have a pulse on the ground."
— Pablo Villavicencio
🚵‍♀️ Your Do School Different Challenge
Ready to implement? Start here:
Tomorrow: Ask three staff members the same open question Villavicencio uses in his focus groups — "Tell me what's good, then tell me what's bad" — and just listen.
This Month: Run a "kid talk" style meeting where content teachers and support staff (counselors, social workers) sit down on the same struggling students and name the root cause together.
This Semester: Pilot one structural change to protect planning time — Alliance is testing 8-12 additional hours a week at seven of its schools — and track whether it moves retention or instructional quality.
⏰ Episode Timestamps
00:00 - Why Pablo's parents falsified an address for school
03:53 - Immigrant roots and the path to UC Berkeley
05:18 - First teaching job in a Harlem sixth grade classroom
11:51 - Building a high school from a 10% to 66% graduation rate
13:55 - Joining Alliance and eventually becoming CEO
15:58 - Alliance's 96% graduation rate versus LAUSD's 49%
17:48 - College readiness numbers and a 3.5x persistence rate
21:19 - Keeping 25 schools aligned without going siloed
22:43 - The planning time experiment seven schools are running
25:28 - Leading five generations of teachers with shared values
35:18 - Hitting 91% retention with zero tenure protection
43:57 - Inside the wraparound services model built on kid talk
46:55 - Pablo's final message on locus of control and belonging
🔗 Connect With Pablo Villavicencio
Website: https://laalliancefoundation.org/
🎧 Listen & Subscribe
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Frontline Education's 2026 K12 Lens report digs into how districts connect professional growth to staffing stability — districts that automate professional growth report easier hiring nearly 50% of the time, compared to 30% of those that don't. If you're building a campus where great educators choose to stay.
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META DESCRIPTION: How Alliance CEO Pablo Villavicencio hit 91% teacher retention and a 96% graduation rate — without tenure. A belief-driven leadership model.

Building a tutoring nonprofit that now serves 25,000 students a year — with a vision to reach millions — required someone who'd lived the exact gap she was trying to close. Aly Murray grew up a low-income student raised by a single immigrant mother, moved through a string of Title 1 schools, and felt firsthand what it's like to navigate homework and college applications without support at home.
She left a trading job at JP Morgan eight years ago to build Upchieve, a nonprofit offering free, 24/7 human tutoring and college counseling to every Title 1 middle and high school student in the country.
Her work is backed by a Gates Foundation-funded study comparing human and AI tutoring, and Upchieve now partners with schools, districts, and CMOs at a cost of about 50 cents per tutoring session.
Most school tutoring programs run from 3 to 5pm — and that single design choice quietly locks out the students who need help the most. Aly Murray, founder of the nonprofit Upchieve, built a 24/7 human tutoring program instead, and the data on why AI can't replace it yet might surprise you.
📚 What You'll Learn
Why the standard after-school tutoring program design quietly excludes the students who need it most
What a Brookings Institute report reveals about grades, identity, and college enrollment
Why Upchieve's founder built a 24/7 human tutoring model instead of scaling with AI
What a Gates Foundation-funded study found when students had access to both AI and human tutors
How much it actually costs a school to close its tutoring gap
💥 Breaking Down the Old Rules
🚀 Key Insight #1: Why Your After-School Tutoring Program Is Built to Exclude Kids
What's broken: Drop-in, after-school tutoring assumes every student has a ride home, free time, and no caregiving responsibilities.
The shift: Upchieve makes human tutoring available 24/7, matching a student to a live tutor in about two minutes — so support meets students wherever and whenever they actually need it, including 3am calculus.
Impact: Upchieve gets over a third of students at partner schools using the platform regularly, a usage rate most after-school tutoring programs never come close to.
🚀 Key Insight #2: The Data Says Tutor the Middle, Not Just the Bottom
What's broken: Most tutoring programs target only the lowest-performing 10-20% of students who are actively failing.
The shift: Brookings Institute research found that once you control for academic preparation, over 70% of the college enrollment gap between low-income and high-income students disappears — meaning the biggest leverage sits with the "middle majority" of B and C students, not just the students at risk of failing.
Impact: Small, consistent tutoring shifts a student's grades and, more importantly, their identity as "a student who's good at school" — which is what actually predicts whether they enroll in college.
🚀 Key Insight #3: Human Tutoring Still Beats AI Tutoring — And the Research Proves It
What's broken: Schools are defaulting to AI tutoring because it looks cheaper and easier to scale than finding enough human tutors.
The shift: In a Gates Foundation and Microsoft Research-funded study, less than 20% of students with access to both a human and an AI tutor ever tried the AI tutor once, and more than 92% of all tutoring sessions in the study were human-only.
Impact: Students overwhelmingly chose — and stuck with — human tutors, because the motivational effect of a real person saying "I'm rooting for you" is what actually drives learning outcomes.
📣 ALY MURRAY QUOTES FROM THE RUCKUSCAST
"Tutoring is completely misunderstood and, in fact, undervalued as a tool that schools should be using to drive outcomes for their students."
— Aly Murray
"If you don't offer transportation after tutoring, you're going to lose all the kids who depend on the school bus to get home. I was one of those kids."
— Aly Murray
"There are enough humans to provide human tutoring to every student that needs it."
— Aly Murray
"When presented with a choice between an AI tutor and a human tutor, students overwhelmingly choose the human tutor."
— Aly Murray
"Anytime you have a one-on-one pairing of a student and a tutor and they get enough hours of tutoring, it works. It improves learning outcomes. It always works."
— Aly Murray
"Things can be not fun, but still worth doing."
— Aly Murray
"How can I, as a leader, claim to care about students' upward mobility if my staff are not making a living wage?"
— Aly Murray
🚵‍♀️ Your Do School Different Challenge
Ready to implement? Start here:
Tomorrow: Pull your after-school tutoring attendance numbers and identify how many of your neediest students are missing simply because of the time slot.
This Month: Calculate what a per-session cost like Upchieve's 50 cents would run your school and compare it against your current after-school tutoring spend.
This Semester: Pilot a 24/7 or after-hours human tutoring option for your Title 1 students and track weekly usage against your current drop-in numbers.
⏰ Episode Timestamps
00:00 - Why after-school tutoring quietly fails students
04:01 - The student story that changed Aly's approach to tutoring
06:04 - Aly's own path through Title 1 schools as a low-income student
09:49 - The Brookings data linking grades to college enrollment
14:06 - Why Upchieve is built exclusively for Title 1 students
17:34 - How 24/7 human tutoring actually works behind the scenes
23:55 - Human tutoring versus AI tutoring head to head
26:57 - The Gates Foundation study on student tutor preference
34:08 - Reframing the story you tell about your campus
37:40 - How schools partner with Upchieve and what it costs
42:00 - The three principles of Aly's dream school
48:06 - The one thing every Ruckus Maker should remember
🫶 Connect With Aly Murray
🔗 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/alymurray
👩🏻‍💻 Website: upchieve.org
🎙️ Listen & Subscribe
Listen to Better Leaders Better Schools on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Youtube or wherever you get your podcasts. If today's episode moved you, leave a review — it helps more Ruckus Makers find the show.
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Meet Digital Danny — your SelfMentorship guide. Always available, never forgets, and evolves with you. Think through your next leadership move at myprincipalcoach.com
🫶 Today's RuckusCast Partners
ODP Business Solutions has been the trusted supply partner for schools for 30 years — and they've moved way past pencils and paper. Want to turn a tired computer lab into a STEAM innovation center, or upgrade every classroom from whiteboards to interactive displays? Their team designs it, and you order it all from a single supplier with access to cooperative contracts that simplify budgeting and keep you compliant.
⚡️ Learn more at ODPbusiness.com/education
Frontline Education's 2026 K12 Lens report tracked how professional learning design connects to staffing stability across districts — and the findings are a wake-up call for anyone planning next year's PD calendar. Districts with structured, individually targeted professional growth report easier hiring; nearly half of districts using software to manage that growth say hiring has gotten easier, compared to just 30% of districts that don't.
⚡️ Download the full report at frontlineeducation.com/leaders
IXL is the adaptive platform teachers already trust to make differentiated instruction simple — and for Ruckus Makers, it does even more. Its dashboard gives school leaders a real-time pulse on student performance, drillable down to the individual student, with reports you can customize to whatever matters most to your building.
⚡️ Get started today at ixl.com/leaders
META DESCRIPTION: Aly Murray of Upchieve on why after-school tutoring fails low-income students, and the research behind 24/7 human tutoring that works.