The Post Game Podcast

• #91 - Kianna Smith: Beyond the Court - Building the Next Chapter After the WNBA

  Kianna Smith is a former college basketball player at Cal and Louisville, drafted 16th overall in the 2022 WNBA Draft by the LA Sparks. She played a few years overseas in the Korean Women's Basketball League.She talks about what it really takes to reinvent yourself after sports, NIL opportunities in college, to navigating injuries that cut her professional career short.Timestamps:(0:00) – Intro to Kianna(2:10) – Kianna’s basketball journey(3:50) – Playing in a Final Four with Louisville(4:15) – WNBA Draft and career highlights(5:20) – Handling pressure in big moments(8:10) – The talent level in today’s WNBA(9:55) – NIL and retroactive athlete pay(11:20) – Looking back on her WNBA career(13:20) – Transitioning out of basketball(17:25) – Trying coaching & new paths(18:55) – Landing a job at Nike(21:10) – Career support for athletes post-WNBA(22:25) – Building Society & Co. for athlete creators(26:10) – Transferring sports skills to the corporate world(28:55) – Kianna’s advice to young athletes(31:25) – Where to find KiannaLinks:Kianna Smith | LinkedInKianna Smith (@kismith14) • Instagram photos and videosThe Post Game Podcast:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://postgamepodcast.beehiiv.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/thepostgame_podcast/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Post Game Podcast (@JoePod24) / X⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-post-game-podcast/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Email me: [email protected]

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• #90 - Dean Snell: The Engineer Who Revolutionized Golf with the Pro V1

  Dean Snell is a hockey player turned plastics engineer and entrepreneur, co-designer of the Titleist ProV1, and founder of Snell Golf, a direct-to-consumer golf ball company based in New Bedford, MA. He holds 40 US patents and is widely considered one of the foremost authorities in golf balls. He spent 18 years at Taylor Made and 7 with Titleist before launching in Snell Golf to provide golf balls at an affordable cost to the consumer.Timestamps:(0:00) - Intro to Dean(2:20) - No interest in golf growing up (4:50) - Dean’s hockey background and career(6:25) - Start of his career at BF Goodrich(7:55) - Getting to Titleist (9:55) - Building the ProV1(12:10) - Where’d the ProV1 name come from? (13:40) - What’s the players’ involvement? (15:30) - John Daly & John Daly Story(18:25) - Sergio Garcia (20:10) - How good are modern golfers?(21:10) - Feedback from players (22:10) - Original idea for Snell Golf (24:00) - Building Snell Golf & Giving back to the consumer (26:40) - The business inside golf (29:00) - Expensive to be on tour (31:10) - Staying engaged with customers (32:10) - Challenges since COVID(33:40) - Courses on his list - Augusta (34:40) - Where to find Snell Golf Snell Golf Balls – Premium Golf Balls for Every Golfer | Snell GolfSnell Golf (@snellgolf) • Instagram photos and videosSnell Golf NewsThe Post Game Podcast:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://postgamepodcast.beehiiv.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/thepostgame_podcast/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Post Game Podcast (@JoePod24) / X⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-post-game-podcast/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Email me: [email protected]

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• #89 - Lucas Espada: Building ShowNxt and Changing How Athletes Get Seen

  Lucas Espada is a former soccer player at Northeastern University, professional soccer player, and Founder of ShowNxt, an AI-powered recruiting platform reshaping how student-athletes connect with college programs across the US.With ShowNxt, he’s helping players promote themselves, connect with teams and scouts, and open new doors in sports and beyond.Lucas shares how he brought his idea to life from scratch, why the propensity to learn is more valuable than experience, and why giving away value for free early on can set you apart. What You’ll Learn:Lucas’ passion for entrepreneurship and building something from nothingWhat ShowNxt is and how it’s changing the game for athletesThe journey of bringing an idea to life from scratchWhy a propensity to learn beats years of experienceThe importance of giving value away for free early onHow to overcome fear and ask, “What’s the worst that can happen?”The revenue model and what’s next for ShowNxtTimestamps:(0:00) - Intro to Lucas(2:10) - Soccer background, ankle injury, and going pro(5:40) - Navigating pro soccer without an agent(6:25) - Becoming an entrepreneur(9:25) - What problem is ShowNxt solving?(11:15) - Equitable access for athletes(13:10) - Bringing the idea to life(14:40) - Visualizing what you want to build(16:10) - Propensity to learn(17:40) - Look in your backyard(19:40) - The first paying customer(23:25) - What’s the worst that can happen?(24:55) - What pushback does he get?(27:25) - Cornell story(30:40) - What’s next for ShowNxt?(31:40) - Where to find Lucas and ShowNxtLinks:Lucas Espada LinkedInShowNxt LinkedInLucas Espada InstagramThe Post Game Podcast:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://postgamepodcast.beehiiv.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/thepostgame_podcast/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Post Game Podcast (@JoePod24) / X⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-post-game-podcast/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Email me: [email protected]

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• #88 - Drew Shore: Life After the NHL, Building Amalfi, and Finding Purpose Beyond the Game

  Drew Shore is a former NHL player with the Florida Panthers, Calgary Flames, and Vancouver Canucks. After retiring from hockey, he transitioned into the business world, building a career as both an agent and a founder of Amalfi, an exclusive community helping athletes transition into business and connect with top entrepreneurs.Drew is also the host of a podcast Betting The Limit, where he talks to athletes who have successfully pivoted into the business world.What You'll Hear About:Why Drew views his hockey career as a “failure” and how that mindset fueled his business successThe mental side of hockeyHis transition into athlete representation with WassermanLaunching the “Betting The Limit” podcast Building Amalfi, an exclusive community helping athletes transition into business and connect with top entrepreneursWhy athletes should start building relationships before retirementHockey culture and missing the locker roomAdvice for current and former athletes on finding purpose after sportsTimestamps:(0:00) – Intro to Drew(2:40) – Growing up with three brothers & early hockey career(4:00) – Scoring a goal in the NHL(5:50) – When things didn’t go as planned(6:55) – Viewing “failure” as opportunity(7:50) – The mental game of hockey(9:00) – Transition to becoming an agent at Wasserman (11:55) – Starting Betting The Limit (13:55) – The origin of Amalfi(15:25) – How Amalfi compares to YPO(17:40) – The Shadow Creek event experience(20:55) – Daily highs and lows of entrepreneurship(22:10) – Balancing pricing and access for young athletes(23:25) – Does retirement uncertainty ever fade?(24:40) – Playing again at the DU charity game(27:10) – Closing the 5-year post-retirement gap(29:10) – Hockey media & athlete personalities(32:10) – The culture of hockey (33:40) – Advice for retiring athletes(35:10) – Building brand portfolios differently today(36:00) – Where to find DrewLinks:Drew Shore InstagramBetting The Limit InstagramJoin Amalfi WebsiteDrew Shore LinkedInDrew Shore (@Drew22Shore) / XThe Post Game Podcast:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://postgamepodcast.beehiiv.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/thepostgame_podcast/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Post Game Podcast (@JoePod24) / X⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-post-game-podcast/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Email me: [email protected]

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• #87 - Jack Adler: The Future of NIL and Out2Win’s AI Data-Driven Approach

  Jack Adler is the founder and CEO of Out2Win, a marketing platform that uses AI to match brands with athletes. He shares how he turned a passion for helping athletes into one of the most innovative companies in the NIL and creator economy space. From raising money to partnering with top college teams and brands, Jack discusses what it takes to build something meaningful in the constantly evolving NIL landscape as a first-time founder.He also dives into how Out2Win uses AI and data to rank athlete marketability, why posting consistency matters more than follower count, and the mindset that kept him from quitting along the way.What You’ll Hear About:How Jack built Out2Win from the ground upWhy Out2Win partners directly with brands Almost quitting and what kept him goingRaising money as a 23-year-old with zero revenueWhy one true supporter can change everythingHow athletes are becoming creators How Out2Win integrates AI and analytics into athlete rankingsWhy posting frequency matters more than follower countThe most marketable teams in college sportsHow to navigate the unknown as a first-time entrepreneurTimestamps:(0:00) – Intro to Jack Adler(3:00) – Jack’s upbringing and early drive(4:20) – Launching his first fundraiser with his sister(5:40) – Using social media for positive change(8:45) – The real story behind Out2Win(9:40) – What NIL really means today(12:00) – Partnering directly with brands(15:10) – Is social media essential for athletes?(17:10) – The hidden struggles of entrepreneurship(20:10) – Why the name “Out2Win”(23:40) – Raising capital at 23 with no track record(26:55) – Landing the first investors(28:25) – How he was intentional with his fundraising(30:40) – The tailwinds pushing college sports forward(32:50) – How Out2Win uses AI and data(34:30) – What goes into the Out2Win score(37:40) – NFL QBs and athlete content creation(40:20) – Deloitte’s role in NIL(43:40) – Making sure brands are educated(45:40) – Balancing athlete and brand interests(47:40) – The most marketable team in college sport(49:25) – Finding hidden gems in recruiting(50:10) – Why Instagram and TikTok matter most(52:10) – The $20.5M cap and its recruiting impact(54:55) – Expanding into pro and high school sports(57:10) – Competitors (and what sets them apart)(58:30) – What excites him most about the future(1:00:00) – Building Out2Win’s culture his way(1:02:40) – Favorite Philly athleteLinks:Out2WinJack Adler LinkedInJack Adler InstagramOut2Win InstagramThe Post Game Podcast:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://postgamepodcast.beehiiv.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/thepostgame_podcast/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/JoePod24⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-post-game-podcast/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Email me: [email protected]

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