The Evolving Wellness Podcast with Sarah Kleiner Wellness

On the Evolving Wellness Podcast, host Sarah Kleiner interviews returning guest Chris, a lab reader and health coach, about why standard lab reference ranges can be misleading because they’re based on an average, chronically ill population, leading doctors to label many people “normal” until overt disease appears (e.g., insulin ranges where healthy averages are ~2–6). They criticize algorithmic, diagnosis-driven medicine and argue AI lab interpretation repeats these limitations, lacking nuance and the human “art” of healing. Chris shares his background of childhood illness, leaving a pre-med path after shadowing physicians constrained by the system, and building a holistic practice emphasizing blood chemistry context, lifestyle/circadian factors, behavior change, and nervous system/trauma-pattern work. They discuss setting realistic expectations, avoiding excessive testing and supplement spending, and Chris describes forming a multi-practitioner team and where to find him online.

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00:00 Coming up
00:54 Podcast Intro and Disclaimers
03:06 Meet Chris
04:15 AI Lab Reads and Reference Ranges
07:22 Algorithmic Medicine vs Healing Art
10:27 Sponsor Breaks and Integrative Care
13:55 Chris’s Origin Story and Whole-Person Framework
31:02 Client Ownership Mindset
32:24 Makeup Sponsor Break
33:49 Trust Recession Reality
36:23 Integration Over Protocols
40:07 Building The Avengers Team
44:54 Tests Versus Basics
49:25 Lab Reading Deep Dive

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This video is not medical advice & as a supporter to you and your health journey - I encourage you to monitor your labs and work with a professional!
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Sarah hosts Jamie Glowacki on the Evolving Wellness Podcast to discuss how Jamie’s background as a social worker led to her potty-training work, including the origin and growth of her “Oh Crap Potty Training” book and classes. They explore how parenting pressures and overwhelming information have intensified for modern moms, shifting Jamie’s focus toward supporting mothers’ well-being. The conversation turns to aging, perimenopause, and menopause, with Jamie describing a symptom-free transition and arguing that perimenopause can be a “report card” on health, emphasizing strength training, adequate dietary fat, and reducing endocrine disruptors. They also critique trendy, scripted health messaging—especially around HRT and telehealth—while acknowledging HRT can help some women. Additional topics include circadian eating, avoiding constant snacking, balancing seasonal/local foods, and simplifying family life to reduce stress.

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00:00 Menopause Then vs Now
00:56 Podcast Intro and Disclaimer
03:02 Meet Jamie Glowacki
03:54 Potty Training Origin Story
07:14 From Parenting to Mom Burnout
08:29 A Glorious Menopause
11:04 Perimenopause Health Report Card
14:08 Strength Training and Healthy Fats
15:40 Blue Blockers Sponsor Break
18:29 HRT Hype and Telehealth Risks
23:23 Menopause Mindset and Boundaries
27:56 Caring for Parents and Staying Strong
30:26 Lifestyle Triggers and Hormone Disruptors
34:24 Hangover Recovery Hacks
34:59 Aging Without Aches
36:08 Menopause Mood Swings
37:32 Holistic Health Over Numbers
38:56 Letting Go as a Mom
41:39 Kids Meals and Family Dinner
43:30 Circadian Eating Windows
47:34 Carnivore Lessons and Gut Relief
55:24 Oxalates Nuts and Smoothies
59:19 Seasonal Eating and Fruit Limits
01:03:25 Parenting Dopamine and Screens
01:05:25 Wrap Up and Where to Find Jamie

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This video is not medical advice & as a supporter to you and your health journey - I encourage you to monitor your labs and work with a professional!
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In part two of a conversation on the Evolving Wellness Podcast, the host and Dr. Sarah Pugh answer audience questions and discuss high-end versus low-cost PEMF beds, why signal quality matters, and concerns about plugging devices into the wall, grounding sheets, and EMF anxiety. They compare far-infrared BioMAT effects on cellular water and exclusion zone water with red light panels, and talk about adapting to EMF exposures during travel, airports, and saunas while using blue blockers and protective clothing. They explore differences in vitamin D and melanin responses at various UVIs, peptides such as melanotan (including dosing and reconstitution risks), and the importance of foundations and testing—especially cortisol curves and metabolic markers—in perimenopause support. The episode also covers cautious use of herbs and supplements, behavior strategies for cravings, cannabis-related hunger, influencer discernment, and a brief discussion of cholesterol as a useful molecule best interpreted in context.

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Sarah Kleiner's Substack - ⁠https://substack.com/@sarahkleinerwellness⁠
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Blueprint On Demand - ⁠https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/offers/2oECuhhC/checkout⁠ 

All Courses & Protocols (Sarah Kleiner) - ⁠https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/store⁠ 

Sarah Kleiner’s free product guide (all my favorite things) - ⁠https://canva.link/vqycebyg1ulkohf⁠ 

Dr. Sara’s Retreat Waitlist - https://get.busysuperhuman.com/optin1769620703739 

All Courses (Dr. Sara Pugh) - https://busysuperhuman.com/courses-coaching/ 
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→ Troscriptions | For an exclusive offer, go to https://www.troscriptions.com/SARAHK for 10% off your first non subscription order.

→ Toups & Co Organics | Ready to give Toups a try? Get 25% off your first order by going to https://toupsandco.com/EVOLVING, and use code EVOLVING for 25% off your first order.
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00:00 Croissant Banter
00:40 Podcast Intro Notices
02:58 PEMF Beds And Signal Quality
06:00 BioMAT Far Infrared Water
07:22 Travel EMF And Airport Mindset
12:44 Vitamin D Melanin And Peptides
20:14 Supplements Herbs And Perimenopause
32:25 Intake Forms and Data
33:49 Lifestyle and Social Health
34:13 Coaching and Simple Habits
35:49 Who to Help and Goals
39:08 Obesity Groups and Movement
43:00 Cravings Addiction and Weed
53:43 Trolls Cholesterol and Wrap

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This video is not medical advice & as a supporter to you and your health journey - I encourage you to monitor your labs and work with a professional!
________________________________________
Get all my free guides and product recommendations to get started on your journey!
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Check out all my courses to understand how to improve your mitochondrial health & experience long lasting health! (Use code PODCAST to save 10%) -  https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/courses

My free product guide with all product recommendations and discount codes:
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Free Webinar on Light & Health (includes free light bulb guide) - https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/mycircadianapp-free-webinar

Get Early Access to Podcast Episodes & my Seasonal Food Course + UVB+Red Light Therapy course for free -  https://open.substack.com/pub/sarahkleinerwellness/p/uvbred-light-protocol?r=5eztl9&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true

Host Sarah welcomes Dr. Sarah Pugh for a wide-ranging Part 1 conversation touching on listener questions and current wellness themes. They discuss viral AI-generated social media accounts pushing cheap, vague weight-loss or supplement offers via Amazon links, and why people should be cautious. The conversation moves into addiction patterns (alcohol, food, nicotine, phone use), comfort eating, and weight-loss plateaus tied to low leptin, chronic dieting, and overexercising, emphasizing consistency, rhythm, light exposure, earlier dinners, and earlier bedtimes. They reference tools and labs including 4-point cortisol testing, CBCs, insulin and leptin ranges, sauna use and binder cautions, and how illness can distort labs. They also cover individual differences in diet (fiber, estrogen clearance), hair changes, traditional practices, deuterium and hydrogen inhalation, and how stress, light, and environment can shift the microbiome

Links Mentioned in the video:
Dr. Sara Pugh’s Substack - https://substack.com/@busysuperhuman 

Sarah Kleiner's Substack - https://substack.com/@sarahkleinerwellness
Free Blueprint info session sign up - https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/blueprint-live-info-session

Blueprint LIVE (Starts first week of MAY) - https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/offers/83DnpN2o?coupon_code=EARLYMAY

Blueprint On Demand - https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/offers/2oECuhhC/checkout 

All Courses & Protocols (Sarah Kleiner) - https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/store 

Sarah Kleiner’s free product guide (all my favorite things) - https://canva.link/vqycebyg1ulkohf 

Dr. Sara’s Retreat Waitlist - https://get.busysuperhuman.com/optin1769620703739 

All Courses (Dr. Sara Pugh) - https://busysuperhuman.com/courses-coaching/ 
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00:00 AI Influencers and Amazon Links
00:53 Podcast Intro and Disclaimers
03:53 Addictions and Comfort Eating
09:14 Leptin Reset and Metabolic Rhythm
16:26 Labs Stress and Modern Mitigation
37:53 Super Collagen Bone Broth
39:17 Organ Meats and Culture
42:00 Spotting AI Wellness Scams
54:31 Detox Binders and Sauna Safety
58:23 Deuterium Sleep and Microbiome

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This video is not medical advice & as a supporter to you and your health journey - I encourage you to monitor your labs and work with a professional!
________________________________________
Get all my free guides and product recommendations to get started on your journey!
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Check out all my courses to understand how to improve your mitochondrial health & experience long lasting health! (Use code PODCAST to save 10%) -  https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/courses

My free product guide with all product recommendations and discount codes:
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Free Webinar on Light & Health (includes free light bulb guide) - https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/mycircadianapp-free-webinar

Get Early Access to Podcast Episodes & my Seasonal Food Course + UVB+Red Light Therapy course for free -  https://open.substack.com/pub/sarahkleinerwellness/p/uvbred-light-protocol?r=5eztl9&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true

Host Sarah interviews Dr. Tyler Panner, a PhD in cell biology and pharmacology, about why supplements can be life-changing for some people and harmful for others due to bioindividuality, genetics, and “terrain.” They discuss how stacking polyphenol supplements (e.g., curcumin, quercetin, resveratrol) can inhibit neurotransmitter breakdown and make adrenaline linger, worsening restlessness, anxiety, sleep, and irritability, and how concentrated products can also chelate iron and copper. They cover sulfur/sulfite sensitivity, histamine and glutamate “gas pedals,” confusing supplement blends, and misattributing adverse reactions to “detox.” The conversation critiques absolutist online supplement advice, fear-based content (including mold and oxalates), and highlights the need for supplement pharmacology, testing, and careful dosing, noting some people improve by removing the wrong supplements rather than adding more.

Connect with Tyler Panzner:
https://www.instagram.com/drtylerpanzner 
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→ VivaRays | This episode is sponsored by VivaRays - VivaRays Blue - code YOGI https://vivarays.com/

→ Troscriptions | For an exclusive offer, go to https://www.troscriptions.com/SARAHK for 10% off your first non subscription order.
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00:00 Red Light Office Prep
00:49 Podcast Intro and Disclaimers
03:28 Time Change Morning Strategy
05:14 Pre Sunrise Routine Tools
08:06 Lux Timer and Light Breaks
10:04 Lux Thresholds Explained
14:42 Light Boxes Pros and Cons
17:56 Spring Skin Sun Prep
19:43 Nutrition and Burn Risk
23:01 Sequential Sunlight and UVA
26:48 Metabolism Skin Benefits
28:01 New Topic Methylene Blue
28:26 Methylene Blue Use Cases
29:12 Cellulite as Energy Loss
30:59 Spring UVB Vitamin D Basics
32:44 Microdosing Sun Exposure
34:23 UV Index and Skin Type
36:00 Blue Blockers Reality Check
37:27 Cold Plunge for Melanin
40:16 Shade Infrared Office Fixes
43:20 Evening Routine and Eating
45:35 Lux Rules and Glasses
49:56 Sleep Debt and Body Clocks
51:28 Programs and Final Wrap

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This video is not medical advice & as a supporter to you and your health journey - I encourage you to monitor your labs and work with a professional!
________________________________________
Get all my free guides and product recommendations to get started on your journey!
https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/all-free-resources

Check out all my courses to understand how to improve your mitochondrial health & experience long lasting health! (Use code PODCAST to save 10%) -  https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/courses

My free product guide with all product recommendations and discount codes:
https://www.canva.com/design/DAF7mlgZpJI/xVyE4tiQFEWJmh_Xwx8Kbw/view?utm_content=DAF7mlgZpJI

Free Webinar on Light & Health (includes free light bulb guide) - https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/mycircadianapp-free-webinar

Get Early Access to Podcast Episodes & my Seasonal Food Course + UVB+Red Light Therapy course for free -  https://open.substack.com/pub/sarahkleinerwellness/p/uvbred-light-protocol?r=5eztl9&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true