IndoctriNation

In this episode, Rachel Bernstein sits down with cult expert Steven Hassan for a personal and eye‑opening conversation about how cults work, why people get drawn into them, and how those same dynamics show up in today’s political and social landscape. Steven opens up about his own recruitment into the Moonies, the difficult process of leaving, and how that experience shaped his decades of work helping people understand and break free from undue influence.
They explore the overlap between cult behavior and modern politics — including his research on what he describes as the “Cult of Trump” — and his interactions with key figures and organizations along the way. They also dig into broader topics like Fourth Generation Psychological Warfare, why certain groups are more vulnerable to manipulation, and what it actually takes to build resilience and critical thinking in a world full of persuasive forces.
This episode offers a grounded, compassionate look at the tactics used to control people, and highlights why awareness, empathy, and informed conversation matter so much right now.

Steven’s Links
Website: https://freedomofmind.com/
The Cult of Trump book: https://freedomofmind.com/the-cult-of-trump/

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Restart and Restore: A Journal for Survivors of Manipulation: 
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This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination 
In this Patreon bonus episode, Rachel Bernstein discusses the potential dangers of relying too heavily on artificial intelligence (AI) as a digital guru. She talks about how AI can manipulate psychological vulnerabilities, leading to identity erosion, cognitive outsourcing, and even AI psychosis. Through detailed examples, Rachel explains how AI can become the ultimate digital love bomber and control mechanism, emphasizing the need for vigilance, critical thinking, and maintaining a well-defined sense of self. The episode concludes with practical advice on using AI as a tool rather than a leader and encourages the embrace of life's natural complexities and frictions.

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In this episode, host Rachel Bernstein talks with Davis Carbo, the creator of the Unbiased Series and an expert in cognitive biases. Carbo shares his journey toward understanding the human mind and discusses various cognitive biases that influence decision-making and perception. They touch on concepts such as the framing effect, halo and horn effect, the illusion of control, and the bandwagon effect, highlighting their relevance in everyday situations and high-control environments like cults and manipulative relationships. Carbo also emphasizes the importance of trusting one's gut and being wary of overpromising leaders. This episode provides valuable insights into how our brains function and the importance of developing a strong filter to evaluate information critically.

Carbo’s Links
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DavisCarbo
Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@daviscarbo
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/daviscarbo/

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In this re-release episode, Rachel introduces Pamela Jackson, a licensed clinical social worker, creative nonfiction writer, and mother. Pamela delves into her past involvement with the International Church of Christ (ICOC), the impact of her mother's narcissism, and the death of her father. She shares her journey of trying to mend her relationship with her mother through structured conversations, her subsequent realization that her efforts were a form of recreating the dynamics of the cult, and her shift towards professional therapeutic work. Engaging deeply in inner child work and the study of complex post-traumatic stress disorder, Pamela reclaims her story and finds empowerment through her professional practice and writing. The discussion highlights the importance of recognizing patterns of vulnerability and finding self-determination after leaving controlling environments.

Find more about Pamela and her work here:
https://www.allomothering.org
Follow Pamela on Social Media:
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pamelasjackson 
Medium: https://medium.com/@pamelasjackson n

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Restart and Restore: A Journal for Survivors of Manipulation: 
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In this re-release episode, Rachel interviews Sochil Martin, a Mexican-American survivor of the high-control religious group, La Luz del Mundo (LDM). Sochil shares her harrowing experiences of being groomed and abused by the cult's leaders, including being taken as a concubine at a young age. She recounts the deep psychological and physical manipulations she endured and the journey to escape the cult with the help of her husband. The episode also covers the ongoing legal battles against the cult’s leaders and Sochil's continuous fight for justice and support for victims. 

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https://www.instagram.com/sochilmartin.healing 
Hear more about Sochil’s story in the audio documentary series Darkness of the World here:
https://www.audible.com/pd/Darkness-of-the-World-Podcast/B0BKH3WVY9 
Watch the trailer for UNVEILED: Surviving La Luz del Mundo — Exposing Sins Within a Megachurch: https://youtu.be/lGK4vtFULKw?si=70eF1mxwnSMCrTlI

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Restart and Restore: A Journal for Survivors of Manipulation: 
https://a.co/d/1ssz4Rm
Restart and Restore: Companion Notebook:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FSCLTZN4
Download a Free Chapter from Restart and Restore:
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