The Double Win

You’re not a brain on legs. And if upgrading your mindset or sharpening your thinking hasn’t delivered the breakthrough you expected, it may be time to pay attention to the one stream of data AI can’t access: your body’s real-time signals.

In this episode, Michael and Megan sit down with science journalist Caroline Williams to unpack interoception—your internal sensory system. It’s the mechanism that helps you interpret what’s happening inside your body and quietly shapes your response. Together, they explore why modern life makes it so easy to override those signals and introduce simple shifts that make a big difference.

If you’ve felt stuck in your head, worn out from pushing through, or unsure how to care for yourself in a high-demand season, this conversation offers a different path—habits that are practical, sustainable, and refreshingly free.

Memorable Quotes
“Anything you do with your body is gonna affect the signals that are going from within your body to your brain. And that changes how your brain predicts what you are capable of and what's gonna happen next.”
“We can either be attending to the outside world or the internal world. You can't be doing it both at the same time. So if you are constantly out there, you can't be in here. And so you need to be able to have the ability to tune in, deal and then tune back out again.”
“[Our lives today] don't really match up with what we were designed for. So we have to then seek out the movement that we don't get in our everyday lives.”
“The relationship between moving and brain health isn't about how much time you spend exercising, it's about how much time you spend sedentary. So it's about breaking up the sedentary time.”
“One of these things that seem to be gathering momentum a little bit is the idea of movement snacks. So throughout the day, it's like the equivalent of food snacks. You can quite easily snack all day long without really noticing, and the calories add up, right? It's the same with exercise, with movement.”
“One of the easiest parts of lifestyle to protect your brain health and your capacity long-term is physical activity.”
“We must remember that making time to properly give ourselves a break is helping us to function better afterwards.”
“The way that embodied cognition works is that when you are moving forward through space, it gives the illusion of, of moving forward and making progress sort of mentally as well as physically.”
“Most of what we need to look after ourselves, we already have if we just make time for it.”

Key Takeaways
Your Inner Sense Offers Real Data. Interoception is how your brain interprets signals from inside your body to shape emotion, energy, and decision-making.
Modern Life Trains Us to Override the Body. When you’re always “out there” (screens, noise, urgency), you lose access to what’s happening “in here.”
Your Brain was Built to Move While Thinking. Cognitive strength isn’t separate from the body—it depends on the body being engaged.
Break Up Sedentary Time. Frequent movement throughout the day matters more than one intense workout. Try “movement snacks” instead of an all-or-nothing exercise plan.
Go For a Walk. Walking boosts creativity, lowers confrontation in hard conversations, and increases bonding through synchronization.
Rest Is a Skill, Not a Luxury. Waking rest and deep breathing can restore the nervous system when sleep alone isn’t enough.
Wearables? Maybe. Is your favorite wearable helping you tune into your inner sense, or outsourcing it? If the (sometimes contradictory) data increases anxiety or confusion, it may be time to return to lived experience as the primary guide.

Resources
Inner Sense by Caroline Williams
Move! by Caroline Williams
www.carolinewilliams.net

Watch on YouTube at:  https://youtu.be/L7ksuXGCp3Q

This episode was produced by Sarah Vorhees Wendel of VW Sound

Morning routines can become one more place we feel behind, especially when life shifts. In this episode, Michael and Megan talk with bestselling author Hal Elrod about The Miracle Morning After 50 (co-authored with aging expert Dwayne Clark). Along with the SAVERS basics (Silence, Affirmations, Visualization, Exercise, Reading, and Scribing) they explore the “after 50” focus on healthspan, purpose, flexibility, and overlooked free practices.

Hal also shares the common derailers and how to rebuild momentum with small steps that stick. Whether you’re in midlife or building sustainable habits now, this conversation will help you craft a morning ritual that fits real life and grows with you.

Memorable Quotes
“The thing to remember is that what we affirm repeatedly becomes our reality, right? And so it's [helpful to affirm] what you're committed to, why it's important, and what you're gonna do to get there.”
“And if you think about it, we are an extension of the earth… And so, for me, I try to live my life as closely in alignment with nature as I possibly can.”
“My belief on purpose is that it's something we get to make up as we go along. We can have more than one purpose because I think people put a lot of pressure on purpose… You get to make it up. That's the best part about purpose. And you can try it on for a week, and you're like, ‘You know what? I wanna try a different purpose,’ or ‘I wanna have two or three.’ It's fluid, it's fun, it's joyful.”
“If somebody took a peek at your schedule, does it really reflect what you say is most important in your life—whether that's health or family, or happiness, or whatever it is?”
“You live, on average, about five years after you retire from purpose. But if you can keep the purpose going, it doesn't matter if you're retired or not retired, or working for a nonprofit or working for a for-profit. It doesn't matter as long as you're making a contribution.”
“As we get older, the needs of our bodies, our minds, our hearts—those things shift. And if we're trying to just sort of do the same old thing that we've done that maybe worked for us 20 years ago, or even 10 years ago, it doesn't always produce the same results.”

Key Takeaways
Make Your Morning Ritual Doable. The goal isn’t a perfect routine, but a sustainable one that adapts as life changes.
Healthspan Matters. Living longer isn’t the point if your quality of life declines. Daily practices can support both longevity and vitality.
Start Small and Let It Build. Hal’s challenge: wake up 10 minutes earlier and pick one practice to focus on. Then, expand gradually.
Consistency Beats Intensity. Miss a day? Don’t spiral. Hal’s advice: “Never let one missed day turn into two.”
Don’t Over-Engineer It. Build a routine that works when the stars don’t align, especially when travel, stress, or caregiving hits.
Nature is a Free Advantage. Morning light, time outside, and grounding practices can offer real benefits without expensive biohacks.
Purpose Protects Your Life. Especially after retirement or major transitions, meaning and contribution are essential for thriving.

Resources
The Miracle Morning After 50 (Hal Elrod & Dwayne Clark)
The Miracle Morning (Hal Elrod)
miraclemorning.com
halelrod.com

Watch on YouTube at:  https://youtu.be/o-T03QPI6Cw

This episode was produced by Sarah Vorhees Wendel of VW Sound

Why do we procrastinate, overspend, or neglect habits we know matter? In this episode, UCLA professor Hal Hershfield reveals how our connection (or lack of connection) to our future selves shapes everything from health and finances to ethics and life satisfaction. Drawing on decades of research, Hal introduces practical tools—including reverse time travel, temptation bundling, and vivid imagination exercises—that help close the gap between intention and action. This conversation is equal parts science, story, and strategy for anyone who wants to live with more agency and hope.

Memorable Quotes
“It involves thinking about trade-offs between now and later, and thinking about sort of balancing out our happiness and our satisfaction over time between the version of us who exists right now and the version of us who exist in the future.”
“People change, and we change much more than we expect to. And the reason I think that that's not something to fear is because it means that we have some control over our lives. It means that we can become different versions of us, we can change aspects of ourselves.”
“It may be scary at first to recognize that my life could look different in 10 years than I expect it to be. But the reality that we know from decades of research is that as a human being, we're quite good with grappling with change. We're quite resilient. We have a healthy, what's called ‘psychological immune system,’ which basically means we can sort of fend off the changes that we don't want and sort of learn to live with the way that life has become.”
“What the research has found is that if we make the process of achieving a goal more fun, more enjoyable, more pleasurable, we're just—and this shouldn't surprise anybody—we're a lot more likely to stick it out.”
“If we want to spur action, if we wanna take some agency, we not only need to think about the way that we want things to look differently, but we also need to figure out what's the contrast between now and later? And what are the—and this is really important—what are the overcomeable obstacles?”
“There's lots of little things where we can cut corners and, you know, we get some gain in the present, but we might get punished in the future. And what we've found in several papers is that the people who feel connected to their future selves are actually more likely to, to take this sort of more difficult but ethical path.”
“That's the irony of procrastination. It hurts while we're procrastinating. It hurts after we procrastinated too…[We can instead think] ‘I don't wanna do it now. There’s a good chance I'm not gonna wanna do it in the future, so I might as well just do it now.’ Just do it and eliminate all that feeling of negativity along the way.”
“We can take anything that feels like it's painful, unpleasant, et cetera, and pair it with something that's a temptation.”

Key Takeaways
You Have Agency. Life will always include uncertainty and unpredictable events, but your responses and daily choices still matter.
The Present Is Loud. The Future Is Abstract. Making the future more concrete helps counteract our tendency to overvalue short-term comfort.
Three Common Mistakes Sabotage Progress. Getting stuck in the present, under-planning, or projecting today’s feelings too far forward can derail growth.
Reverse Time Travel Makes Goals Feel Closer. Starting in the future and working backward reveals obstacles—and opportunities—you’d otherwise miss.
Temptation Bundling Reduces Friction. Pair necessary habits with enjoyable experiences to increase follow-through without relying on grit alone.
Small Choices Compound Into Identity. Your future self isn’t created in one moment—but in thousands of ordinary ones.

Resources
www.halhershfield.com 
Your Future Self: How to Make Tomorrow Better Today (Book)

Watch on YouTube at:  https://youtu.be/FbLoVyZ-eTU
This episode was produced by Sarah Vorhees Wendel of VW Sound

Why does it feel like everything is falling apart, even as our lives get materially easier in so many ways? Michael Hyatt talks with author and cultural thinker Virginia Postrel about why progress becomes invisible, how nostalgia for the “good old days” distorts reality, and why modern change moves unevenly.

They explore why humans crave beauty and meaning (not just function) and how AI is reshaping the future of work. A clear theme emerges throughout the wide-ranging conversation: change is inevitable, and how we respond matters. Resilience, margin, and an entrepreneurial mindset make all the difference.

If you’ve felt powerless against “big systems,” this episode is a reminder that innovation is often personal, practical, and close to home: start where you are, solve what you can, and expect the unexpected.

Memorable Quotes
“The issues of character never go away. They are eternal human questions, and we forget because we have sort of nostalgic views of the past.”
“Even the smartest AI can’t figure out what people want—what people are dissatisfied with. And a lot of innovation comes from that. We tend to focus on big technologies. And even big technologies come from a lot of incremental improvements… A lot of improvements come from people saying, ‘I’m dissatisfied with this,’ or ‘Here’s something I figured out.’”
“Human beings don’t just value function. They value pleasure, and they value meaning, and pleasure and meaning are things that are very much conveyed through the look and feel of objects or places.”
“Agency is problem-solving. It’s you solving problems in your life, or whatever that might be—and it’s sort of reversed, too, which is that if you assume that it’s someone else’s job to solve your problem, you sort of give up your sense of agency.”
 “A lot of leadership is figuring out what gifts individuals have and getting them moving in the right direction… A big part of leadership as problem-solving is people problem-solving—getting people in the right roles and thinking about how those roles mesh.”
“Expect that you’re going to be in a world that changes, because that’s the world we live in. It’s the world we’ve been living in for hundreds of years. The other thing is: understand this didn’t start with you. Other people have gone through amazing and scary and terrifying changes, and our civilization has lived to tell the tale.”

Key Takeaways
Progress Becomes Invisible Quickly. We normalize improvements fast—and forget what life used to require in drudgery, time, and basic comforts.
Change Is Uneven: Bits vs. Atoms. Software accelerates rapidly, while physical-world progress (like housing) can be slowed by policy, cost, and complexity.
Dynamism vs. Stasis Shapes How We Face the Future. Some people see change as positive-sum opportunity; others experience it as zero-sum threat.
Agency Grows Through Problem-Solving. When we assume “someone else” must fix things, we trade away our sense of control and possibility.
Resilience Requires Margin. Financial cushion, emotional bandwidth, and community support help you absorb shocks and adapt.
Entrepreneurship Is Bigger Than Business. You can be “entrepreneurial” by starting groups, building community, or solving everyday problems—not just launching companies.

Resources
vpostrel.com (Website)
vpostrel.substack.com (Substack Newsletter)
The Future and Its Enemies (Book)
The Substance of Style (Book)
The Power of Glamor (Book)
The Fabric of Civilization (Book)

Watch on YouTube at:  https://youtu.be/yCMHIdYYS-A

This episode was produced by Sarah Vorhees Wendel of VW Sound

Why do high-achievers feel perpetually behind, even while consuming more content than ever? In this conversation, Pat Flynn explains the trap of “overlearning” and how it quietly keeps us stuck in motion without progress. You’ll learn how to shift from “just-in-case” learning to “just-in-time” learning, create real momentum with a simple four-step framework, and protect what matters most with practical boundaries. Along the way, Pat shares how these principles helped him build multiple successful businesses (including a Pokémon channel with millions of followers) without sacrificing his family, health, or joy.

Memorable Quotes
“We all, in a way, are not just our overlearning, but we're getting over-inspired. We're so connected with so many amazing people out there who teach us this and push us over here, and then we're pulled over this way. We're spread so thin it's we're we're not seeing any results in our own life.”
“Now we all have access to all the same kind of information, but we're still treating it as if it's scarce…However, we now live in a buffet line of information… and we're not quite evolved to absorb all of this because we're stuffing our plates full. Not only are we getting bloated and and and slowed down, but we're also getting force-fed on these platforms.”
“This is the difference between ‘just-in-case learning,’ which is what we've all been doing, and ‘just-in-time learning,’ which is learning what you need to know to just take that next step. Because truly the action of taking that next step, the results of that one way or another—whether there are good results or bad results—can teach you so much more than just absorbing this information and never taking any action at all.”
 “[Silence] allows me to be with myself and to digest the things that I've already learned, to think about my priorities and the things I've already committed to. It allows me to make creative connections between things that I have already picked up instead of just getting more puzzle pieces to try to figure out where they go.”
“I mean I was always taught that again, ‘The more you know the more successful you'll be,’ and there's always seemingly opportunities to inject more of that learning. And it has this sort of fake productivity that goes along with it, because it is only truly productive, in my opinion, when you actually put into action those things that you do read or listen to or watch.”
“At our authors retreat, a theme across most of the people there was not optimizing for revenue, not optimizing for scale, but optimizing for peace. And that was huge to think about.”
“If I give myself five months to learn, I'm gonna take five months to learn it. If I give myself five hours to learn, I'm gonna take five hours to learn it. So I almost use time as a tool to help me get to the point of action and then understanding sooner.”
“I've developed this rule called the 20% Itch Rule, and that is, out of all the things you do, 80% of your time is dedicated to the things you've already committed to, the things that, the responsibilities you have, the things that you've already said, yes to. The last 20% of time, allocate for curiosity, for play, for experimentation.”

Key Takeaways
Overlearning Is a Hidden Productivity Trap. Constant consumption creates a sense of progress without producing results—and often adds more “to-dos” than your life can hold.
Shift from “Just-in-Case” to “Just-in-Time.” Learn only what you need for the next step, then take action. Real learning accelerates through doing.
Use the 4-Step Lean Learning Cycle. Identify the next step → choose one resource → implement → review. Repeat.
Silence Helps You Digest What You Already Know. Pat’s “silent car” habit creates space for integration, creativity, and clarity.
Watch for “Junk Sparks.” Many ideas are just distractions dressed up as opportunity—especially when algorithms reduce the friction to buy, click, or binge.
Try the “20% Itch Rule.” Dedicate 80% of your time to current commitments and responsibilities, and reserve 20% for curiosity, experimentation, and play—without blowing up your life.
Optimize for Peace, Not Scale. More revenue isn’t always worth the hidden cost. A Double Win means there’s still room for what makes you feel most alive.

Resources
Smart Passive Income (Pat’s Business)
Superfans (Book)
Lean Learning (Book)

Watch on YouTube at:  https://youtu.be/aLp6hHTrYQs
This episode was produced by Sarah Vorhees Wendel of VW Sound