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Paul Flynn has spent 13 years building Whitehaven Coal into one of Australia's most consequential resources companies. He's joined us to share the story.

From a deal many considered one of the best in recent mining history, to the structural shift in coal's floor price, to why India is quietly becoming the world's most important met coal growth market, we're excited to share our conversation with one of the sector's most respected operators.

Paul also takes on Queensland's royalty regime and what it really means for capital allocation in Australian resources.

If you have any interest in coal, commodities, or how world-class resource businesses actually get built, you'll enjoy this.
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(17:25) The Big Deal
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Chris Judd joins us to dive deep into the big picture.

Founder & portfolio manager at Cerutty Macro Fund, Chris' perspective and model for navigating the world helps us break down many of the big themes in markets today.

Chris covers:

Why the Strait dynamics may reflect US strategic intent - and what naval choke points mean for China’s commodity leverage
Why the US may only solve its debt via inflation
Why he sees Australian stagflation, and the impact of higher rates on small-cap stocks
His highest conviction positions - and the shared hard-asset exposure link

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The Federal Budget has dropped a bombshell on the mining and exploration sector.

Proposed CGT changes could leave a generational mark on the industry, the economy, and everyday Australians.

We sat down with the people best placed to explain it.

Warren Pearce & Neil van Drunen from AMEC (Association of Mining and Exploration Companies) represent 500+ exploration and mining companies across Australia.

They unpack what's really at stake.

Why the proposed CGT changes could gut the retail investor base
Are we picking winners with the Critical Minerals Strategic Reserve
How cultural heritage compliance costs have risen more than 50% since 2023
The agreement expected by year-end that could halve federal environmental assessment timeframes

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Emanuel Datt (founder & CIO of Datt Capital) has been selling.

He's now at 30%+ in cash.

The Datt Absolute Return Fund has compounded at over 17% pa for near a decade.

The Strait of Hormuz shutdown marked a hard reset of the portfolio.

We've got lots to discuss.

In this conversation, Manny covers:

Why the Iran War triggered a full portfolio reset
His decisive rotation into refiners and thermal coal businesses
How he thinks about holding 30% cash and waiting for the fat pitches
The big opportunity he sees in the next month
What the most overlooked setups in the market are right now
His worst-ever call

+ Under-rated versus over-rated.

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In today's episode, we're joined by value investor Vas Piperoglou.

Vas is the co-founder and chief investment officer of Collins St Asset Management.

He runs one of Australia’s most consistently high-performing value investment firms, with a knack for starting special situations funds in markets near and dear to our hearts.

Collins St has played 3 resource capital cycle thematics. All three worked out to a tee.

We explore with him what's next.
Vas runs us through:

Why he has returned most the money from the gold fund

What silver going parabolic told him
The full backstory behind the Matrix takeover - and if he's buying back into offshore service
Why Carnarvon remains a deeply frustrating but asymmetric
How the Humm Group activist campaign is tracking
A totally hidden monopoly trading at 6x earnings with a 10% dividend yield - Nasdaq listed
Why the almond supply cycle is tantalising
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