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Michael returns to the show after a standout LP Deal Review Q&A, and Chris digs into the full backstory: how Michael went from the Chicago Mercantile Exchange—trading interest rate derivatives bell-to-bell—to building Origin Investments into a multifamily-focused platform built around downside protection and long-term compounding.

They unpack how Michael thinks about “edge” as markets became more efficient, why risk management lives at both the deal level and the company level, and what LPs should pay attention to when evaluating a manager’s balance sheet and decision-making under pressure. The conversation also gets tactical on portfolio construction in today’s environment—why Michael believes credit is being “overcompensated” relative to equity, how Origin evolved from value-add to a build/buy/lend approach, and how cycle awareness influences where (and how) he’s willing to deploy capital.

Chris also asks how current macro uncertainty impacts underwriting and positioning right now, and Michael closes with a set of simple, but hard-earned, LP principles: build a written plan, stay disciplined, keep liquidity, and remember that small performance deltas compound into life-changing outcomes over time.

Key Takeaways

Michael’s path from commodities/derivatives trading to launching Origin and why 2007-2009 was a formative real estate “training ground”

How to think about “edge” in modern real estate when information is ubiquitous and why small advantages still matter

Risk management at two levels: deal structure (leverage, markets, people) and firm structure (bench strength, balance sheet support)

Why Michael would overweight credit today and keep equity exposure selective and how that creates flexibility to rebalance

LP discipline lessons: write your strategy down, don’t fear saying “no,” protect liquidity, and let compounding do the heavy lifting

Disclaimer

The content of this podcast is for informational purposes only. All host and participant opinions are their own. Investment in any asset, real estate included, involves risk, so use your best judgment and consult with qualified advisors before investing. You should only risk capital you can afford to lose. Past performance is not indicative of future results. This podcast may contain paid advertisements or other promotional materials for real estate investment advisers, investment funds, and investment opportunities, which should not be interpreted as a recommendation, endorsement, or testimonial by PassivePockets, LLC or any of its affiliates. Viewers must conduct their own due diligence and consider their own financial situations before engaging with any advertised offerings, products, or services. PassivePockets, LLC disclaims all liability for direct, indirect, consequential, or other damages arising out of reliance on information and advertisements presented in this podcast.

Chris Lopez is back with Paul Shannon for this month’s PassivePockets Pulse Check, catching up on why Paul stepped back from co-hosting, what he’s focused on now, and what both of them are actually doing with their own portfolios. They get into the real-life tradeoffs that don’t show up in an OM: liquidity vs. deployment, concentration risk vs. investing where you have an edge, and why relationships with operators matter more than ever coming out of the last cycle.

From there, Paul drops a data-heavy market update across multifamily and beyond- where supply is still pressuring rents, which markets are already seeing rent growth again, and how the maturity wall is forcing distressed (and motivated) sellers into the market. Chris shares what he’s seeing in Denver and the Midwest, why he’s leaning toward cash flow and debt for diversification, and how both of them are thinking about positioning for the next 12–24 months without trying to “time” real estate.

They wrap with a quick preview of the 2026 PassivePockets Summit in Denver (April 30–May 2), why the event is built for LPs, and what they’re most excited for- from the small, high-quality attendee base to hands-on learning opportunities like the hotel-to-multifamily conversion property tour.

Key Takeaways

Why Paul stepped back from co-hosting and what he’s prioritizing in business and family life right now

Liquidity as a strategy: when “good deals” still aren’t the right move because cash matters

Multifamily’s bifurcated market: rent growth winners vs. laggards, and why national headlines can mislead

The maturity wall and distress: what refinances look like in a 6–7% rate world and what LPs should ask sponsors

Summit preview: LP-focused networking, sponsor access, and the Denver hotel-to-multifamily conversion tour

Disclaimer

The content of this podcast is for informational purposes only. All host and participant opinions are their own. Investment in any asset, real estate included, involves risk, so use your best judgment and consult with qualified advisors before investing. You should only risk capital you can afford to lose. Past performance is not indicative of future results. This podcast may contain paid advertisements or other promotional materials for real estate investment advisers, investment funds, and investment opportunities, which should not be interpreted as a recommendation, endorsement, or testimonial by PassivePockets, LLC or any of its affiliates. Viewers must conduct their own due diligence and consider their own financial situations before engaging with any advertised offerings, products, or services. PassivePockets, LLC disclaims all liability for direct, indirect, consequential, or other damages arising out of reliance on information and advertisements presented in this podcast.

Hotel-to-multifamily conversions are one of the most interesting “free market” solutions to the affordable housing crunch, and Alex Cartwright is building his entire business around that niche. In this episode, Chris sits down with Alex to break down how (and when) these conversions actually pencil and why the opportunity exists in the gap between hotel cap rates and multifamily cap rates.

They also talk about a real-time example: Alex has a conversion project happening about 15 minutes from the hotel where the 2026 PassivePockets Summit will be held in Denver. Alex will be at the Summit, and attendees will have the chance to tour the project and see what a conversion looks like up close (including what changes once you stop calling them “rooms” and start calling them “units”).

Alex shares the full playbook: what types of hotels make sense, typical basis per “door,” what drives renovation costs (spoiler: electrical), how long zoning and entitlement really takes, how these deals get financed (including CPACE), what the refinance timeline looks like, and the biggest risks LPs should underwrite before wiring a dollar.

Key Takeaways

Why hotel-to-multifamily is a financial arbitrage as much as a physical conversion (hotel cap rates vs. multifamily cap rates)

What makes office-to-multifamily so hard, and why hotels are often a better conversion candidate

Typical acquisition basis and capex ranges (and why “adding kitchens” is the expensive part)

The real timeline: 120–180 day DD/entitlement windows, construction sequencing, and refi timing (often 18–30 months)

Downside risk and mitigation: managing cashflow during construction, experienced construction teams, and conservative terminal cap rates

Disclaimer

The content of this podcast is for informational purposes only. All host and participant opinions are their own. Investment in any asset, real estate included, involves risk, so use your best judgment and consult with qualified advisors before investing. You should only risk capital you can afford to lose. Past performance is not indicative of future results. This podcast may contain paid advertisements or other promotional materials for real estate investment advisers, investment funds, and investment opportunities, which should not be interpreted as a recommendation, endorsement, or testimonial by PassivePockets, LLC or any of its affiliates. Viewers must conduct their own due diligence and consider their own financial situations before engaging with any advertised offerings, products, or services. PassivePockets, LLC disclaims all liability for direct, indirect, consequential, or other damages arising out of reliance on information and advertisements presented in this podcast.

Track Record Assets Deal Page:

https://passivepockets.com/directory/deals/morgan-bay-apartments/

A few weeks after an LP Deal Review with Track Record Assets, PassivePockets member Adam Cranmer realized he’d be in Houston, just minutes from the actual property. So he did what most LPs wish they could do: boots-on-the-ground due diligence, in-person operator time, and a full “does this actually feel real?” check.

Adam walks through the deal at a high level (268-unit Class C value-add in north Houston acquired from a distressed seller, not a distressed property), then shares what he saw on-site and what he learned over lunch with the team—especially the operator’s “secret sauce” for stabilizing workforce housing.

Most importantly, Adam breaks down the one major concern that still gave him pause (exit assumptions / value growth) and why, after ~20 hours of diligence, he ultimately decided to invest anyway—jockey-first, with a clear-eyed view of the risks and the fallback plan.

Key Takeaways

What “value-add” actually looks like on-site (and why this one felt real vs. cosmetic)

How Adam pressure-tested rent comps and the plan after touring the area

The operator edge: creating a tenant “flywheel” that improves safety, collections, and retention

The biggest risk flag: exit price assumptions and how the debt structure reduces downside

Why Adam invested anyway, even with diversification concerns in Houston

Disclaimer

The content of this podcast is for informational purposes only. All host and participant opinions are their own. Investment in any asset, real estate included, involves risk, so use your best judgment and consult with qualified advisors before investing. You should only risk capital you can afford to lose. Past performance is not indicative of future results. This podcast may contain paid advertisements or other promotional materials for real estate investment advisers, investment funds, and investment opportunities, which should not be interpreted as a recommendation, endorsement, or testimonial by PassivePockets, LLC or any of its affiliates. Viewers must conduct their own due diligence and consider their own financial situations before engaging with any advertised offerings, products, or services. PassivePockets, LLC disclaims all liability for direct, indirect, consequential, or other damages arising out of reliance on information and advertisements presented in this podcast.

Scott Trench brings a contrarian 2026 office thesis to the table, starting with the idea first, then stress-testing it with three expert investors: Ash Patel, J Scott, and host Chris Lopez. The group debates where office is truly mispriced, what “trophy” means post-COVID, and why “downtown vs. suburbs” might be the wrong framing without understanding tenant demand, floor plates, and lease-up realities.

They dig into the mechanics of making office work (cash-flowing vs. vacant assets, tenant improvements, buildouts, leasing risk, and financing constraints), plus the biggest wild cards shaping demand going forward, from work-from-home to AI to local policy and migration trends. Ash also shares a real-world case study on buying fragmented suburban office at a deep discount and selling it off in smaller pieces.

By the end, Scott refines his thesis from a binary bet into a spectrum: office may be a compelling buy if you’re surgical on asset selection, capitalization, and operator expertise and realistic about how long the grind to stabilization can take.

Key Takeaways

Downtown vs. suburban office: why pricing, tenant demand, and commute behavior can lead to very different risk profiles

What actually wins in office now: smaller suites, turnkey space, parking, “soul”/amenities, and flexible layouts vs. big single-tenant floorplates

Capital stack reality: why office financing is still tough, and why many plays require low leverage (or all-cash) plus significant TI reserves

Operator selection: how to vet office sponsors when COVID disrupted track records—and why experience managing office matters more than ever

One actionable strategy: buying multi-building suburban office portfolios at a discount and selling off smaller buildings to owner-users (with SBA tailwinds)

Disclaimer

The content of this podcast is for informational purposes only. All host and participant opinions are their own. Investment in any asset, real estate included, involves risk. Nothing here is investment, tax, legal, or financial advice; consult qualified professionals. Past performance is not indicative of future results. This podcast may include paid advertisements or promotional materials and should not be interpreted as a recommendation or endorsement by PassivePockets, LLC or affiliates. Conduct your own due diligence and consider your financial situation before engaging with any offering discussed. PassivePockets, LLC disclaims all liability for any actions taken based on the information presented.