Thought Sparks

In this week’s Thought Sparks Podcast episode, Rita McGrath, a Columbia University Business School Professor, C-Suite strategist, business founder and best-selling author, sits down with Caroline Webb, former McKinsey partner, leadership coach, and economist. Her new book, Leadership Intelligence, which is available on September 8, gives practical strategies for leaders facing 21 everyday management challenges.  
 
 
0:00 Welcome to Thought Sparks 
0:24 Meet Caroline Webb 
1:21 Experiential vs. Deliberate Wisdom 
3:04 How the Book Came to Be 
10:27 The Three-Part Structure: How We Think 
12:57 The Brain's Reward System: Competence & Connection 
17:23 The Brain's Threat System & Resilience 
19:58 Absorbing Uncertainty: Know, Be, Do 
26:00 Staying Calm Under Pressure: The ABC Routine 
27:57 The Readiness Reframe: Channeling Anxiety 
29:59 Preparing Before Key Moments 
31:00 The Positive No 
36:51 Fix Flex: The Art of Delegation 
40:17 The Leadership Pipeline & Managing AI Agents 
41:48 Difficult Conversations: Layoffs & Underperformance 
45:08 Compassionate Clarity 
45:36 The Arc of a Coaching Engagement 
50:21 Common Themes in Senior Leaders 
53:56 Loneliness at the Top & Building Networks 
56:09 Wrap-Up & Where to Learn More
 
 
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In this week’s Thought Sparks Podcast episode, Rita McGrath, a Columbia University Business School Professor, C-Suite strategist, business founder and best-selling author, sits down with Caroline Stokes, author of AfterShock to 2030: A CEO’s Guide to Reinvention in the Age of AI, Climate, and Societal Collapse, and member of the Thinkers50 Radar Class of 2026.  
 
0:00 — Cold Open: The Trust Crisis in CEO Leadership 
0:26 — Welcome to Thought Sparks & Introducing Caroline Stokes 
2:10 — The Brian Thompson Assassination: Why It Opens the Book 
6:21 — Why the Book Is Digital-Only & CEO Reading Habits 
8:10 — The Trust Gap: Organizations Making People Sick 
12:20 — LSE Research: Doughnut Economics & Post-Growth Practices 
15:15 — Why "Aftershock": Polyvagal Theory & CEO Behaviors 
19:11 — Carlota Perez: Turning Points in Capitalism 
22:03 — NVIDIA's Fluid, Mission-First Organization Model 
25:55 — Mea Culpa & Tabula Rasa: Reinventing Yourself as a Leader 
31:07 — Radical Listening: The Human-to-Human Approach 
34:39 — The PlayStation Backward Compatibility Story 
36:30 — AI-Enabled Radical Listening & the DOGE Example 
38:21 — NVIDIA's Top Five Things & Stochastic Sampling 
41:01 — Getting Started: Finding Your Mission & Purpose 
45:43 — Corruption, Shareholder Theory & the Need for a Reset 
48:12 — Caroline's Personal Shocks & Living Abroad 
49:53 — Advice for Younger People 
54:26 — Where to Find the Book & Closing Remarks 
 
 
 
Listen to more Thought Sparks Podcast episodes on Apple Podcasts  and Spotify.  
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https://open.spotify.com/show/0xmTsYXMgTeielwZ0dGTSU 
 
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In this week’s Thought Sparks Podcast episode, Rita McGrath, a Columbia University Business School Professor, C-Suite strategist, business founder and best-selling author, sits down with Rebecca Hinds, Head of the Work AI Institute & Director of Thought Leadership  at Glean to discuss her new book Your Best Meeting Ever.  
 
0:00 Intro & Welcome 
0:13, Meet Rebecca Hinds 
0:58, Rebecca's Journey Into Meeting Research 
3:45, Meetings as Status Symbols & Power Dynamics 
6:36, Meetings as a Product: Design Principles 
7:33, Cutting Meeting Debt: The Meeting Doomsday 
9:52, Return on Time Invested (ROTI) 
13:42, The Four D CEO Test for Meetings 
15:02, Bezos One-Way Door Decisions & Law of Triviality 
18:13, Decision Fatigue & The Importance of Breaks 
20:13, Amazon's Six-Page Memo Practice 
26:05, Using Verbs in Agenda Items 
27:11, Alan Mulally at Ford: Meetings That Drive Action 
31:08, In-Person vs. Hybrid Meetings 
38:51, Ensuring Diverse Perspectives Are Heard 
45:48, AI's Role in Improving Meetings 
47:27, Surprises Since the Book's Publication 
50:14, Meeting Budget & Optimal Meeting Hours 
53:43 Where to Learn More & Closing 
 
 
Listen to more Thought Sparks Podcast episodes on Apple Podcasts  and Spotify.  
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https://open.spotify.com/show/0xmTsYXMgTeielwZ0dGTSU 
 
Watch Thought Sparks episodes on YouTube.  
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Follow Rita on LinkedIn, Instagram, X and Blue Sky.  
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Connect with Rita on TikTok and Instagram. 
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In this week’s Thought Sparks Podcast episode, Rita McGrath, a Columbia University Business School Professor, C-Suite strategist, business founder and best-selling author, sits down with Rory Sutherland, vice chairman of the Ogilvy & Mather group of companies and expert in behavioral science and creativity.  
Their conversation took place in person at the Ogilvy offices in London.  
 
0:00 The Marketing Mindset 
0:29 Welcome & Introducing Rory Sutherland 
1:10 Rory's Path into Advertising 
2:11 Direct Marketing & A/B Testing Origins 
3:01 Edwardian Era Newspaper Experiments 
4:18 Testing Creative vs. Price 
7:23 Discovering Behavioral Science 
10:08 Marketing as a Way of Thinking 
11:05 Uber & the Psychology of Innovation 
12:23 Marketing & Innovation: Two Sides of a Coin 
13:45 The Austrian School of Economics 
14:46 The Swiss Watch Industry 
17:21 Public vs. Private Advertising 
18:50 What Are You Really Competing With? (Zippo) 
22:16 Quarter-Inch Holes & Hidden Value 
24:10 Trade-offs in Innovation 
27:27 Austrian Economics & Value Creation 
28:47 Baumol's Cost Disease & Non-Transactional Value 
31:23 Universities as Luxury Goods 
34:32 Ogilvy Adapting to Digital Change 
37:48 The Marketing Mindset for All Businesses 
40:02 Symbolism Matters: NASCAR Tickets & Corporate Perks 
41:47 Risk & Reward in Organizations 
42:54 The BT A/B Test: Channels Affect Purchases 
47:33 Marketing Genius: James Watt's Horsepower 
50:11 Marketing as Value Creation 
51:18 The Citibank Demo: Finding the Real Sell 
53:50 Kano Theory: Delighters & the DoubleTree Cookie 
55:48 Reverse Benchmarking 
58:05 The State of Advertising Today 
59:27 Book Recommendations & Risk Aversion 
1:03:45 Marketing Metrics & Digital Platforms 
 
 
Listen to more Thought Sparks Podcast episodes on Apple Podcasts  and Spotify.  
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thought-sparks/id1546758719 
https://open.spotify.com/show/0xmTsYXMgTeielwZ0dGTSU 
 
Watch Thought Sparks episodes on YouTube.  
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcyXT8iJkTSciUMe0me3L7Q 
 
Follow Rita on LinkedIn, Instagram, X and Blue Sky.  
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Connect with Rita on TikTok and Instagram. 
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In this week’s Thought Sparks Podcast episode, Rita McGrath, a Columbia University Business School Professor, C-Suite strategist, business founder and best-selling author, hosts Kevin Nolan, CEO of GE Appliances, who talks through Haier’s acquisition of GE Appliances, and his advice for leaders facing massive transformations.  
 
0:00 - Intro: Can you choose between growth and profitability? 
0:27 - Meet Kevin Nolan, CEO of GE Appliances 
1:40 - GE's long history of wanting to divest the appliances division 
2:47 - The Haier acquisition — and the surprise of who bought them 
5:55 - First meetings with Haier: "salad management" and philosophy over business 
8:37 - "We don't plan to learn. We plan to win." — The GE mindset 
10:14 - Culture shock: Haier kept asking, "What do YOU want to do?" 
16:55 - The concept of "leading goals" — goals you don't know how to achieve 
19:25 - Kevin becomes CEO: setting the bold goal of #1 in 5 years (from #5) 
25:12 - Introducing FirstBuild: GE's open, consumer-driven innovation engine 
34:06 - The nugget ice story — and why engineers don't understand customer needs 
39:37 - FirstBuild's secret sauce: it must be self-funding (zero-cost innovation) 
44:40 - From #5 to #1 in 5 years — with no acquisitions and no new people 
48:51 - CEO humility: going to the factory floor unannounced 
59:15 - Final advice: rely on the people closest to the work 
 
 
Listen to more Thought Sparks Podcast episodes on Apple Podcasts  and Spotify.  
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thought-sparks/id1546758719 
https://open.spotify.com/show/0xmTsYXMgTeielwZ0dGTSU 
 
Watch Thought Sparks episodes on YouTube.  
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcyXT8iJkTSciUMe0me3L7Q 
 
Follow Rita on LinkedIn, Instagram, X and Blue Sky.  
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Connect with Rita on TikTok and Instagram. 
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Learn more about Rita, her books, and ideas at RitaMcGrath.com.