For a long time, leadership was measured by how well we could perform under pressure, stay composed, and keep pushing through. But in a world that feels more chaotic, divided, and emotionally depleted than ever, I believe that model is breaking down. In this episode, I sit down with Amy Elizabeth Fox, CEO and co-founder of Mobius Executive Leadership and co-author with Nicholas Janni, of Leading in Chaos to explore why the inner life of a leader matters more now than ever.
Amy shares what years of working with senior leaders have taught her about unresolved childhood wounds, emotional numbing, trauma, and the survival strategies that can quietly shape how we lead, relate, and make decisions. We talk about the insecure overachiever, the cost of carrying uncried tears, and why healing is not separate from leadership, but central to it.
This conversation is an invitation to make peace with your past, extend more grace to yourself and others, and lead with more courage, wholeness, and emotional honesty. Because the old operating system of command and control is no longer enough. A braver, wiser, more humane kind of leadership is being asked of all of us.
The Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer of Mobius Executive Leadership Amy Elizabeth Fox, MA, is a leading expert in vertical development, transformational change and trauma informed consulting. Since 2005 she has led immersive executive leadership programs around the world and served as a pioneer in introducing healing into the field of organizational development.
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