Chus Cartes on Suffering, Spiritual Awakening, and Becoming Available to Grace
What if the wave realized it was always the ocean?
In this episode, Casey sits down with Chus Cartes for one of the most philosophical, raw, and grounding conversations of the series. This isn't your typical self-development talk—it's a gentle dismantling of everything we think we need to do in order to be okay.
Chus speaks from a place of deep remembering. She's walked through the fire of her own suffering—narcissism, competition, depression, isolation—and emerged on the other side not with answers, but with an embodied knowing that changes everything. Now, she guides women back to the truth that we are already whole, that nothing is broken, and that the very act of trying to control the ocean as a single wave is what creates our deepest pain.
This conversation will challenge you. It will slow you down. And if you let it, it will remind you that beneath all the striving, the tools, the journaling, the healing—you are already complete.
In this profound conversation, we explore:
The wave and the ocean: Why trying to control your life as a separate self creates suffering, and what shifts when you remember you're part of the whole
Neutralizing vs. letting go: How to be with what is without judgment, and why this is gentler and more powerful than forcing release
The trap of spiritual tools: When journaling, breathwork, and self-development keep you stuck in a loop instead of setting you free
Making yourself available to grace: What it means to become horizontal instead of vertical, and how stillness creates space for transformation
Dancing vs. counting the beats: Why humanity is trying to figure out life instead of just living it, and how to trust the body's wisdom
Compassion without reaction: How recognizing your own "colors" in others neutralizes friction and creates space for healing
Surrendering to the heaviness: Why we must walk through the fire of discomfort rather than bypassing it, and what's waiting on the other side
The ashram that changed everything: Chus's story of hitting rock bottom, finding Mooji, and experiencing grace in its purest form
This episode is for anyone who feels exhausted by trying to fix themselves. For anyone who's read all the books, done all the practices, and still feels like something is missing. For anyone ready to stop being the wave trying to control the ocean—and finally remember they are the water itself.
Content note: This episode includes discussion of depression, disordered eating patterns, and deep suffering. Please take care of yourself while listening.
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