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Ep. 367
Will Sora 2 make TikTok obsolete?
Kipp and Kieran dive into the jaw-dropping launch of Sora 2—a next-gen AI video model that’s shaking up everything we know about content, virality, and social networks. Learn more on why Sora 2 could redefine online personas with its AI cloning and “cameo” feature, what happens when anyone can monetize their digital likeness, and how the tidal wave of AI-generated “slop” is forcing marketers and brands to rethink what it means to stand out online.
Mentions
Sora 2 https://openai.com/index/sora-2/
VO3 https://www.vo3ai.com/
Heygen https://www.heygen.com/
ElevenLabs https://elevenlabs.io/
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Marketing Advice You’ll Thank Me for in 12 Months | Neil Patel
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Ep, 366
Can ChatGPT or Perplexity convert customers at up to 13x the rate of a traditional Google search?
Kipp and Neil Patel, of Co-Founder at Neil Patel Digital and co-host of Marketing School Podcast, dive into the game-changing marketing tactics you’ll be grateful for a year from now, sharing brand-new research and practical strategies for the AI era. Learn more on why optimizing for AEO (Answer Engine Optimization) is reshaping conversion rates, how creating content for both humans and AI gives you an edge, and which old-school marketing methods are making a comeback to drive real revenue.
Mentions
Neil Patel https://www.linkedin.com/in/neilkpatel
Marketing School Podcast https://marketingschool.io/
NP Digital https://neilpatel.com/
ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/
Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/
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20:48
The #1 Job Needed in the AI Era Right Now
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Ep. 365
Will businesses need more humans than ever to actually make AI work?
Kipp and Kieran dive into why the AI revolution is creating an explosion of opportunity for consultants and businesses who know how to integrate new technology. Learn more on why AI adoption is driving massive demand for human expertise, the skills you need to thrive as an AI consultant, and how the new era of PR gives founders—and real personalities—a fresh edge in business.
Mentions
Alex Lieberman https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-lieberman
10x Labs https://10xlabs.com.au/
Kaz Nejatian https://ca.linkedin.com/in/kasranejatian
Opendoor https://www.opendoor.com/
Ramp https://ramp.com/
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17:24
Everything you need to know about AEO in 2025
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Ep. 364
Did you know Google’s new AI-powered Chrome could mark “the death of web pages” as we know them?
Kipp and Kieran dive into how Google’s latest Gemini integration is completely transforming search, content consumption, and the future of SEO in 2025. Learn more on how AI is making clicks and traditional web browsing obsolete, why AEO (AI Engine Optimization) is the next big battleground for brands, and what marketers must do to adapt their strategies to a world of conversational and agentic search.
Mentions
Google Chrome https://www.google.com/chrome/
Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/
ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/
Claude https://claude.ai/
Gemini https://gemini.google.com/
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36:15
How This AI Startup Grew to $50M ARR in 2 Years (Marketing Playbook)
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Ep. 363
Is influencer marketing the new product virality?
Kipp and Kieran dive into the viral marketing playbook that skyrocketed an AI startup to $50M ARR and 50 million users with just 30 employees. Learn more on the explosive power of influencer-led growth, why building brand outranks traditional performance marketing, and the essential product feedback loops that every modern startup needs to stay ahead in the competitive AI era.
Mentions
Gamma https://gamma.app/
Dropbox https://www.dropbox.com/
Lovable https://lovable.dev/
Anton Osika https://www.linkedin.com/in/antonosika/
Grant Lee https://www.linkedin.com/in/grantslee/
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Kipp Bodnar (HubSpot’s CMO) and Kieran Flanagan (Hubspot's SVP of Marketing), lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.