Marketing Against The Grain

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Ep. 424

“I can't go a single second without someone asking me what the heck answer engine optimization is.”

Kipp and Kieran have Beeri Amiel (Product at HubSpot and founder of XFunnel) and Aja Frost (Sr. Director of Global Growth and Paid at HubSpot) dive into the launch and demo of HubSpot's brand new AEO tool, built to track your visibility in answer engines and help you win the next evolution of search. Learn more on building your AEO strategy, measuring share of voice and sentiment, and using actionable insights to drive results your boss will love.

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Ep. 423

There’s one Claude skill that will separate you from the other AI content.

Kipp and Kieran dive into how AI content creation is broken—and how you can use the “Opposite Start” framework to break out of the red ocean of repetitive ideas and truly stand out. Learn more on why most marketers use AI the wrong way, how to find blue ocean ideas by inverting mainstream narratives, and practical strategies to turn AI into an ideation powerhouse—not just a content machine.

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Ep. 422

How can you differentiate valuable content from generic AI-generated slop?

Kipp dives into how to create non-commodity content that AI and your competitors can't replicate, giving you an edge in the new search-driven world. Learn more on the crucial differences between commodity and non-commodity content, the six key checkpoints every marketer should hit (like proprietary evidence, expert takes, and a real point of view), and how to use a free grader tool to level up your blog, landing pages, and newsletters for better rankings and more traffic.

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Ep. 421

What if your team burned through your entire AI budget in just six months?

Kipp and Kieran dive into the wild world of “token maxxing”—the new Silicon Valley trend of spending as much as possible on AI tokens without clear outcomes. Learn more on why AI token usage is skyrocketing, the difference between “token maxxing” and “outcome maxxing,” and powerful frameworks every marketing leader can use to turn AI spend into real business growth.

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Ep. 420

In AI search,, relevancy matters more than authority.

Kipp, Kieran, Beeri Amiel (Product at HubSpot and founder of XFunnel), and guest Sam Parr (Host of My First Million) dive into how AI-driven answer engines are disrupting traditional SEO and what marketers must do to adapt. Learn more on how AEO (Answer Engine Optimization) is changing the rules of search, why citation and content relevance matter more than authority, and what tools and tactics you can implement to succeed in the new era of AI search.

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Sam Parr https://www.linkedin.com/in/parrsam


My First Million https://www.mfmpod.com/


Hampton https://joinhampton.com/


The Hustle https://thehustle.co/


Beeri Amiel https://www.linkedin.com/in/beeri-amiel


XFunnel https://www.xfunnel.ai/


HubSpot AEO Portal https://clickhubspot.com/aeo


Ahrefs https://ahrefs.com/


Google Search Console https://search.google.com/search-console/about

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