The Prymal Podcast

Kellie Fennell is a coach, business owner, speaker, parent, and podcast host who has achieved huge success helping others transform their minds and bodies - while quietly burning herself out in the process.

You’ll learn about:
The productivity trap and performance-based identity

Why behaviour change fails without belief change

Pain vs suffering

External metrics vs internal metrics

Burnout at the height of success

Internal locus of control

The role of expectation in happiness

How to create space instead of constant consumption

Why healing isn’t becoming someone new - it’s remembering who you are

The discussion moves beyond fitness into identity, unlearning inherited beliefs, and giving yourself permission to change.

Dan: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@thedancampion⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Chapters:
00:00:00 – Pain vs Suffering
00:03:45 – Burnout at the Height of Success
00:08:10 – Performance Identity and Self-Worth
00:12:30 – Why Money Doesn’t Fix Misalignment
00:16:00 – The Productivity Trap
00:20:45 – External Metrics vs Internal Metrics
00:27:40 – The 5 Regrets of the Dying
00:37:00 – “You Have 6 Months Left” Thought Experiment
00:45:45 – Psychological Safety and Play
00:52:30 – Facing 18 Years of Avoided Grief
01:06:20 – Healing Isn’t Becoming Someone New
01:11:19 – You Can’t Sustain Behaviour Without Belief Change
01:16:19 – Stop Consuming, Create Space
01:18:51 – Accepting Emotion Instead of Escaping It
01:21:36 – The Lamb in the Oven: Unlearning Inherited Beliefs
01:23:55 – The Elephant Rope: Breaking Self-Limiting Beliefs
01:25:44 – Redefining the Mountain
01:32:17 – Giving Yourself Permission to Change
01:35:35 – The Power of Retreat and Space

Truth is messy, and most people confuse belief with fact. That’s why online discourse feels like everyone is fighting for “objective reality” when we’re all operating from different conditioning, experiences, and algorithms.

This episode explores the difference between subjective truth and objective truth, why “my truth” can become a defence mechanism, and how to stop outsourcing responsibility for how you feel.

Covering ego, fear, victimhood, echo chambers, and why the real work isn’t “finding truth” - it’s letting go of distortion so you can respond with more calm, clarity, and compassion.

If you’ve ever felt reactive, cynical, or exhausted by culture wars and certainty, this one will help you see what’s actually going on under the surface.

Dan: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@thedancampion⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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00:00:00 Intro - calm year, why “truth” matters
00:00:34 Truth vs perception - why everyone thinks their view is objective
00:06:03 Death as “objective truth” and why meaning is still subjective
00:07:28 The real win - becoming less reactive to other people’s beliefs
00:12:26 The eulogy exercise - denial of death and “cope”
00:14:33 “My truth” - honest expression vs unchallengeable shield
00:20:32 Buddhism, psychedelics, and the “golden nugget” under conditioning
00:22:23 “My expression of the truth” - a better way to speak
00:25:11 Responsibility vs victimhood - owning what you express
00:26:21 The tell - “live this way so I feel safe”
00:28:46 Echo chambers and algorithm-shaped reality
00:31:16 Love, validation, and codependency as truth substitutes
00:36:08 Why most people agree on most things - nuance dies online
00:39:36 Fatherhood as a rite of passage for truth and accountability
00:46:48 “Tell the truth” - why truth is the adventure
00:48:24 Integration - notice the trigger, take responsibility, choose response

Most people don’t build businesses to serve, they build them to be seen. And eventually that validation runs out.
Phil Graham has coached 12,000+ business owners and disrupted industries. In this conversation he breaks down the real difference between founders who last and founders who quit - emotional resilience, decision velocity, and building a mission that’s bigger than your need for approval.
He explains 'the Ferrari trap', why marketing and sales is a moral responsibility if you genuinely help people, and how to design a lifestyle business that gives you authority, freedom and profitability - so you can actually live life on your terms.

Key topics:
Mission over validation (and why validation always runs out)

Emotional resilience as the founder advantage

Fear as fuel vs fear as a crippler

Decision velocity and course correction

Risk: upside, downside, recoverability

Lifestyle business vs enterprise

Marketing/sales as responsibility, don’t be the best kept secret

Fatherhood, standards, and “am I worth modelling?”

Dan: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@thedancampion⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Chapters:
00:00:26 Emotional resilience and why founders fail
00:01:35 Vision bigger than yourself and holding risk
00:06:49 Emotional triggers, identity, and regulation
00:07:40 Detaching from judgement and approval
00:11:14 Fear, uncertainty, and meaning
00:12:00 Mission as fuel, not motivation
00:18:08 Validation vs mission, the Ferrari trap
00:31:16 Solitude, self-trust, build a company with yourself
00:36:27 Marketing and sales as moral responsibility
00:41:47 Decision velocity, stop “thinking about it”
00:43:07 Risk filter: upside, downside, recoverability
00:49:52 Lifestyle business vs enterprise, choose the game
00:58:13 Fatherhood: “am I worth modelling?”
01:06:01 Fear as fuel vs fear as crippler
01:20:30 Phil’s journey, what’s next
01:24:11 Authority, freedom, profitability - living on your terms

Ryan Curtis experienced a terrible training accident that ended his professional MMA career and threatened to leave him completely paralysed.
In this powerful conversation, we explore the mindset that helped him recover against the odds, rebuild his identity, and find meaning in the middle of chaos.
Ryan explains why nothing about him is “special”, why mindset is trainable, and why sitting with your own thoughts might be the most important skill you ever develop.

We discuss:

How resilience is built long before hardship arrives

Why most people misunderstand failure

The emotional engine behind discipline

Why presence matters more than happiness

How to stop living an unconscious life

The role of identity, values and fatherhood

Why gratitude is a practical tool, not a cliché

The truth about success, external validation and social media

How to build a life you’re proud of, one decision at a time

Dan: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@thedancampion⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Key topics: resilience, mindset, identity, fatherhood, purpose, self-reflection, discipline, values, personal growth, presence, gratitude, unconscious living, mental strength.

00:00:00 – Why inspiration fades
00:05:10 – Building a stronger mind
00:12:40 – Lessons from losing
00:19:30 – Who you choose to be
00:26:20 – The pull of social media
00:33:45 – Living on autopilot
00:40:50 – Facing hard truths
00:48:25 – Strength in community
01:00:00 – Defining your values
01:06:10 – Sitting with yourself
01:14:40 – Presence over happiness
01:23:20 – When life stops you
01:31:15 – The trap of wanting more
01:38:40 – Fatherhood and meaning
01:46:50 – Owning your imperfections
01:53:40 – What failure shows you
01:57:10 – Made In Chaos

Most of us think we need more discipline, motivation, or structure.

But in reality, we need something far simpler - to slow down.

Brian O'Loughlin explores the deeper lessons behind the Prymal 60 challenge and uncovers a more honest truth about change:

You can’t create transformation from a dysregulated, overwhelmed, overstimulated state.

You don’t think your way into clarity - you feel your way there.

This episode dives into:

Nervous system regulation as the foundation for growth

Why slowing down reveals the truth you’ve been avoiding

The hidden warning signs of burnout

How “containers” help us confront unconscious patterns

Why presence is more transformative than productivity

Why challenges often fail unless they create internal space

The relationship between emotion, behaviour, and identity

How to reconnect with yourself through simple daily practices

If you’ve been stuck in cycles of overwhelm, distraction, stress, or self-sabotage, this conversation will feel like an exhale.

Dan: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@thedancampion⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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0:00:00 – You Can’t Change Until You Slow Down
0:03:18 – The Real Purpose of Prymal 60
0:08:45 – Nervous System Overload & Hidden Burnout
0:14:32 – How Disconnection Becomes the Default
0:20:28 – Containers: Why Structure Creates Safety
0:26:41 – The Sludge Above the Gold (Emotional Truth)
0:33:15 – Walking, Breathwork & Simple Regulation
0:38:52 – Presence vs Productivity
0:44:09 – Emotional Awareness vs Intellectual Understanding
0:50:34 – The Body Always Knows First
0:56:12 – Burnout as a Bodily Realisation
1:02:25 – Why Change Feels Impossible When You’re Dysregulated
1:09:08 – Permission, Vulnerability & Male Friendship
1:14:26 – What We Actually Learned from Prymal 60
1:20:57 – Integrating These Lessons Going Forward

Key topics: nervous system, burnout, slowing down, emotional awareness, personal growth, presence, self-regulation, Prymal 60, behaviour change, trauma, embodiment, mindfulness, self-awareness, reflection, transformation, accountability, unconscious patterns.