Grey Areas with Petra Bagust

Brodie Kane does not lead a quiet life. The week Petra sits down with her, she's training for the Noosa Half Marathon, producing two podcasts, prepping a live show, MCing events across the country, and running Brodie Kane Media as a one woman band. She is, by her own admission, running around like a “blue-arse fly”. And when things are getting out of hand, she's getting better at noticing it - which is progress.

In this kōrero, Brodie and Petra cover a lot of ground, talking about what it actually means to be self-employed, the freedom, the loneliness, the addictive achievement loop of answering one more text. And why giving your brain genuine rest is one of the most radical things you can do in a world that has made constant availability the default setting. 

Brodie talks about sitting in a doctor's waiting room for 20 minutes without looking at her phone, and crossing the Harbour Bridge on the bus listening to Toto's “Africa”. Both feel like acts of quiet rebellion in an age that wants us to be chronically online.

They get into the formation of Brodie Kane, where her fire comes from, the mum who stormed out of council meetings and took on patriarchy without apology, the grandfather who was a trade unionist, the dad who is, in Brodie's words, probably more of a feminist than she is. 

Brodie talks about what it means to have a platform and choose to use it to advocate for issues she cares about and why she'd rather anger some dudes on X than have nothing to say when her grandkids ask, “What did you do?”

There's also Dancing with the Stars, the podcast empire that grew and then wisely contracted, a conscious uncoupling from Stuff, a new partnership with MediaWorks, and the rebrand of Girls Uninterrupted to Let Her Finish. 

And there's Josh, found unexpectedly, met while emceeing something in Rotorua, calm to her chaos, beautiful soul, and what it looks like to build a long-distance relationship on intention, communication, and genuine compromise at 39 when you know who you are.

This one is feisty, fun and genuinely energising. Brodie Kane in full flight is something to behold.

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Robyn Malcolm is one of New Zealand's most beloved actors. And at 61, she is, by her own account, having the time of her life. In this kōrero, Petra sits down with Robyn who’s beaming in from Glasgow, while watching squirrels in the park, writing a new project with After the Party collaborator Diane Taylor, and settling into a life that looks nothing like the one she'd have planned, and everything like the one she was always meant to live.

This is a conversation that goes everywhere and earns every turn. Robyn and Petra talk about what it actually feels like to arrive at 60, the falling-over-less-scared-of-it, the inhabiting-your-own-space, the finding-it-funnier quality of a life that has already survived its worst moments. 

Robyn talks about aging in an industry obsessed with youth, the Mar-a-Lago face appearing on actresses she admires, and why aspirational casting is, in her view, utterly false, because what women actually want to see on screen is themselves.

They get into Robyn's late ADHD diagnosis, sparked, she says, by a Grey Areas episode, and the Rubik's Cube moment when everything she'd been told about herself clicked into place. The laziness, the avoidance, the "imagine what you could've done if you'd done some work" rewritten, at last, through a kinder and more accurate lens.

The conversation moves into menopause, sexuality, and shame. And Robyn speaks openly about the documentary she's been making all around Aotearoa on menopause and mental health, including a revelation about the relationship between estrogen loss and mental health that she says astounded her. She talks about why women won't discuss sex in groups until someone goes first, why shame is the real barrier to desire in midlife, and what happened when she brought a model of the clitoris to a room full of Southland women at the Shepherdess's Muster.

Warm, wide-ranging, laugh-out-loud funny, and quietly profound, this one is a delight from start to finish.

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Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.
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Most conversations about menopause cover hot flushes, brain fog, and sleep. Far fewer talk about what's happening below the waist, and for up to 84% of women, that silence comes at a real cost.

Dr Iona Weir is a cell biologist, inventor, and founder of biotech company Myregyna®. Her life's work centres on apoptosis, the process of programmed cell death, and specifically how compounds found in plants can reverse it. After decades developing pharmaceuticals and skincare, she turned her science towards one of the most underserved areas in women's health: genital urinary syndrome of menopause, or GSM.

In this kōrero, Petra and Iona unpack what GSM actually is, and why it's so much more than vaginal dryness. From thinning urethral tissue and recurring UTIs to bladder urgency and prolapse risk, the downstream effects of declining oestrogen on this whole system are significant, under-diagnosed, and largely preventable. Iona explains the science of what's happening at a cellular level, what women can do to get ahead of it, and why pelvic floor health is one of the most important investments a woman in midlife can make.

They also get into Iona's remarkable origin story, from being the first person in the world to suggest apoptosis occurs in plants, to an outrageously creative work around to secure her PhD funding, to becoming one of New Zealand's few female biotech founders. At nearly 60, she's heading to BTS in Paris, going to ABBA Voyage in London, and is actively working on securing approval from the US FDA.

This episode also takes an honest look at the wellness and supplement industry from someone who has spent her career inside it. Iona's advice? Skip the vitamin cabinet. Eat the salmon cracker platter. Rotate your supplements. And stop spending money on treatments that will thin your skin now and leave you looking worse at 80.

This episode contains discussion of pelvic floor health, vaginal atrophy, UTIs, and sexual function.

Listen to the pelvic floor health episode we referenced in this episode: It's time we talked about our pelvic floors | Tania McLean + Melissa Davidson

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Barbara Dreaver has spent decades moving towards stories others walk away from. As one of New Zealand's most respected journalists and TVNZ's Pacific correspondent, she has been detained in Fiji, witnessed children in crisis across the Pacific and stood in places where telling the truth was actively discouraged.

In this kōrero, Petra and Barbara sit down properly for the first time, and the conversation is exactly what you'd hope for. Barbara talks about growing up barefoot in a loving Pacific family with no money and yet extraordinary richness. What it means to carry both sides of her whakapapa (Kiwi father, Pacific Islander mother), into a career built on giving voice to people who rarely get one. 

Her book, Be Brave, is the record of that work and an invitation to the rest of us to believe in the power of telling the truth and find our own why. She talks about the publisher who told her there was no interest in Pacific stories (the book is already going to a second edition), and the moments across her career where she's had to reach deep to keep going.

They get into what it really means to be brave, not the absence of fear, rather knowing your why clearly enough to walk through discomfort. Barbara talks about the logging company she exposed in Vanuatu, the adoption agency trafficking children from Samoa to the US, and the night she spent locked in a Fijian detention centre not knowing what she would face in the morning.

Barbara also speaks, with great care, about losing her brother Andrew to suicide, the guilt that follows, the complicated layers of grief, and why she believes his life should never be defined by how it ended.

This is a conversation about courage, Pacific identity, the power of community, and finding her happiest season yet in mid-life!

This episode contains discussion of sexual abuse, incarceration, suicide, and other distressing content, including the trafficking of children. Please take care as you listen.

If you need support:

Lifeline: 0800 543 354 or text 4357 — available 24/71737 — Call or text to speak with a trained counsellor, any timeSuicide Crisis Helpline: 0508 828 865 (0508 TAUTOKO) — available 24/7Skylight (supporting those bereaved by suicide): 0800 299 100Safe to Talk (sexual harm): 0800 044 334 or text 4334 — available 24/7

Barbara Dreaver's book Be Brave is available now.

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Dr Lara Briden is back, and for good reason. The naturopathic doctor, evolutionary biologist, and bestselling author of Period Repair Manual, Hormone Repair Manual, and The Metabolism Reset is the only guest to appear on Grey Areas three times, and this kōrero might be her best yet.

In this episode, Petra and Lara dig into what it means to have a female body, and why that's not the complicated, messy sidebar medicine has long made it out to be. Lara makes a compelling case that female physiology is arguably advantageous. Cyclic hormones are health-building, ovulation is powerful, and perimenopause, far from being a deficiency state, is a season women's bodies are designed to go through (and be able to thrive on the other side).

This conversation goes beyond biology. Lara and Petra wrestle honestly with the perimenopause narrative that's taken hold on social media: how the welcome opening of the conversation has, in some cases, tipped into fear. Women who feel fine are now wondering if something is wrong with them. Women who aren't yet symptomatic are afraid of what's coming. Lara is direct: fear is not a wise guide.

They also get into the underdiagnosed but highly reversible problem of insulin resistance, what it actually is, how to spot it on a standard blood test, and why it matters more for women's long-term heart and brain health than most GPs are telling us. 

Plus: the case for magnesium, the overlooked role of iron deficiency in perimenopause symptoms, why oxytocin might be one of the most underrated health tools available, and a very practical PSA about condoms.

This is a conversation for every woman who has ever stood in the supplement aisle feeling overwhelmed, or scrolled through health content and come away feeling worse. The road home is home, and Lara's message, as always, is that you're probably more okay than you think.

Lara's books Period Repair Manual, Hormone Repair Manual, and The Metabolism Reset are available now. Find her at larabriden.com.

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